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Question Do all chocolate havs change their colors?

I was just wondering if anyone here had a chocolate or ever has seen an adult chocolate who has stayed brown.The reason I ask is that Duncan's face looks like it'g getting lighter.Can it just be from the sun or is it natural.I guess it really doesn't matter what color he ends up being since I love him to death already but I was just curious.
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It varies. A lot of the chocolates that we see on the West Coast fade out. Some fade to the point of being almost cream. There is a well-known breeder (of course, her name is escaping me right now) who has been breeding chocolates for years and their color holds for the most part.

In short, some do and some don't.

Do you know much about Duncan's family? Are there other chocolates that are older? Any that are full relation (same father, same mother) that are older? That might be a better clue as to how Duncan may turn out.
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I saw some of Dusty's puppy photos recently and her chocolate was as dark as Duncan at first. She has lightened a lot and is still changing. However, the owner of her littermate has sent me some photos of Dusty's brother. He is black instead of chocolate, with the same markings as Dusty, and he has silvered also. They look very similar, except one is chocolate and the other is black/silver. I've been enjoying all the variations. We had been hoping for a sable before we came across Dusty, so I think we've just about got it! At least the color changing part! She's just gone from dark chocolate, to milk chocolate, or mocha, or latte...or from mud to Dusty!
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Dusty's Mom, is that Angelito that you are talking about? (I got to see him again last weekend. That boy is so sweet. We need to get his "mama" here.)
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It is Angelito! I'm jealous of you for getting hang out with him. I'd like to meet him too, but I do have Dusty and she's a doll too! Angelito's mom would be good here.
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Choco havs

Question..

Chocolate Havs are 'chocolate' soley based on the pigment of the eyes and nose, right? So the fur color can be any color, does not have to be brown, right? My Mango has the brown pigment, but is obviously mostly white/cream from birth.

My understanding correct?


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Yes, Ryan. "Chocolate" soley refers to pigment of the nose, eyerims and lips.
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Dot, there are photos on the "colors of the rainbow" site that show chocolate havs that have held their color.

http://www.mts.net/~mckay55/rainbow.html
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I've also read that Havana Browns although not 'chocolates' because

their noses are black not liver; start black but end up chocolate because they're actually a brindle [brown black & red].

Thought that was interesting.

Duncan will be adorable no matter what color he ends up.

I've read that he can also go all cream and then go back to chocolate too. Isn't that right?

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their noses are black not liver; start black but end up chocolate because they're actually a brindle [brown black & red].

Thought that was interesting.

Duncan will be adorable no matter what color he ends up.

I've read that he can also go all cream and then go back to chocolate too. Isn't that right?

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Havana Brown isn't really a color. I guess I should say "technically speaking." In Cuba there are no Chocolate Havs. None. There is one person whose job (government job) to visit each litter and individually inspect each litter. She does not register any dogs with brown pigment as a Havanese.

What they have are black brindles with black pigment. The black brindle can look brown....but with black pigment. I think I've even heard Cubans refer to the color as Tobacco or something like that.
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