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Hello everyone. Since Chloey is my first Hav, I have no idea about puppy milestones. At what age did your pup hit its full size, and how much does he or she weigh. When I asked her breeder, I got a cryptic response- “She’s about there.” That would be 8 1/2 pounds and 8 months. I’ve read that different breed lines mature at different rates and the breed standard is 8-13 pounds. Also, does anyone know when the upper canines should be completely in? She has both baby and mature teeth on both sides and I’d like to know when to give up hope that they will fall out naturally. Her 6 month checkup is coming up, and we’ll address it then.
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Hello everyone. Since Chloey is my first Hav, I have no idea about puppy milestones. At what age did your pup hit its full size, and how much does he or she weigh. When I asked her breeder, I got a criptic response- ďSheís about there.Ē That would be 8 1/2 pounds and 8 months. Iíve read that different breed lines mature at different rates and the breed standard is 8-13 pounds. Also, does anyone know when the upper canines should be completely in? She has both baby and mature teeth on both sides and Iíd like to know when to give up hope that they will fall out naturally. Her 6 month checkup is coming up, and weíll address it then.
Hmmm... where to start. Our breed standard does not have a "breed standard" for weight, just height. (8 1/2" to 11 1/2") an 11 1/2" Havanese who weighed 13 lbs would be emaciated. Kodi is 11 1/2" on the nose. And while he is at the top of the accepted size range for our breed, he IS within limits, and he is slim and trim at 17 1/2 lbs. An 8 1/2 lb Havanese would be at the small end of our size range. (but could definitely still be within standard) And of course, while breeders work to produce MOSTLY dogs withing standard, there are still some that make perfectly wonderful pet dogs that are outside the standard on one end or the other. (particularly on the larger end in this breed)

Eight months would be on the early side for full size, and especially for full weight, though most are certainly slowing down by then. But, for sure, some lines mature sooner than others. Your breeder would know better than anyone how soon her puppies are likely to mature if she has bred many litters.

As far as the teeth are concerned, I'm not sure why she is having a 6 month check up at 8 months? Panda had retained canines at her 6-month check-up (which was at 6 months) this was particularly concerning since she shows in conformation, and we didn't want it to ruin a very nice bite. The vet suggested that we schedule extraction, but that I work on wiggling the teeth daily during the intervening 6 week period. The day before she was due to have the extraction, one fell out! So we rescheduled two weeks later, kept wiggling, and the other one fell out. Not everyone is going to be lucky, but unless it is CLEARLY causing a problem, sometimes waiting a bit can solve the problem.

The other thing to factor in, however, is whether you are planning to spay/neuter during that period. If the puppy is going to be anesthetized for another procedure, it makes perfect sense to have retained teeth removed at the same time, and get it out of the way. So there are a lot of things to discuss with your vet, and decisions made have to be based on what's best for your specific dog!


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I hope this doesnít double post. Thanks for the quick information. I should have been clearer in my post. It will be her semi-annual checkup. I got her at 8 weeks and it is roughly 6 months later. I am new to all this; my other three dogs were medium sized mutts and she is my first puppy in 15 years. I also misstated the wight range a bit- AKC lists it at 7-13 pounds and she has already been spayed. She is a perfect little jewel as she is and I will love her regardless of her final size. A smidge bigger and she will be able to go up and down stairs; right now I have carry her outside to potty. I will begin wiggling if she will let me and cross my fingers. Thanks.

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I hope this doesnít double post. Thanks for the quick information. I should have been clearer in my post. It will be her semi-annual checkup. I got her at 8 weeks and it is roughly 6 months later. I am new to all this; my other three dogs were medium sized mutts and she is my first puppy in 15 years. I also misstated the wight range a bit- AKC lists it at 7-13 pounds and she has already been spayed. She is a perfect little jewel as she is and I will love her regardless of her final size. A smidge bigger and she will be able to go up and down stairs; right now I have carry her outside to potty. I will begin wiggling if she will let me and cross my fingers. Thanks.
I donít know where you read that AKC say 7-13 pounds. AKC doesnít decide breed standards, though it is listed on the ALC website. The breed clubs write tepheir own standards. Our breed club is Havanese Club of America, and our breed standard does not have a weight limit. Here is our breed standard if youíd like to read it: https://images.akc.org/pdf/breeds/st...s/Havanese.pdf

If she has already been spayed, you should ask your vet for their opinion on whether to wait or do something about those retained teeth at this point. Wiggling them canít hurt!


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Thanks. I tried wiggling, and, it might be wishful imagination but one has some give! I went back and took a peek at both the HCA website and AKC. The info is from the breed descriptions; as you said, the formal breed standard for both lists height. I will try to attach a screen shot but Iím pretty tech challenged. Regardless of whether you use height or weight, my girl is within standard but looking to be a squirt!
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Thanks. I tried wiggling, and, it might be wishful imagination but one has some give! I went back and took a peek at both the HCA website and AKC. The info is from the breed descriptions; as you said, the formal breed standard for both lists height. I will try to attach a screen shot but Iím pretty tech challenged. Regardless of whether you use height or weight, my girl is within standard but looking to be a squirt!
Thatís not the breed standard. I have no idea who wrote that, but itís nothing official. There _IS_ no official weight in our breed standard. Sorry. There just isnít. I gave you the link to our official standard.

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Okayyyyy. Something obviously pushed your buttons. I suggest you re-read what has been said from top to bottom and think about what caused you to be so rude to a new member. No need for further reply. I see this isnít a place for me.

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Sorry if I thought you would want correct information about your new breed. I guess I was mistaken. I shouldn’t have wasted my time.


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LOL. I am sorry anyone would think Karen would not be accurate. The forum is also an excellent place to get your emotional needs met regarding puppy issues, just not so much with affirmations on mistaken facts.

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Thank you for your response, I think. After the last conversation, Iím not quite sure what to make of anything. I asked for two bits of information and got a lecture on breed standards I didnít request. Perhaps I was in error and should have used the word Ďaveragesí. For the record, I never questioned anyoneís facts, I simply provided my source when it was requested. This is all too much. Iím sure there are members who are willing to stay on topic without attitude, but iím not willing to wade through more of this. I am looking for how to turn off notifications so that I can withdraw an look for a group more in tune with my needs. Life is too short to deal with trolls.

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