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post #1 of 13 (permalink) Old 04-17-2019, 03:08 PM Thread Starter
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I didn't find this forum until after we brought home Buster - a 4mo old Havanese.

We have been a rescue household for nearly 20 years. My rescue mutt Bacon Bit, seems to have many traits of Havanese, but has more of a poodle coat. After a couple failed attempts to rescue, we decided to bring home a puppy instead.

The day we got Buster home, I fell ill with the flu. About the time I recovered, my husband got hit with it. All of the plans we had for our first week with puppy, socialization and training got lost. To make matters worse, we both got called out of town for work this week. (We both work from home and I usually travel, hubby rarely does, only 1-2x a year are we both gone at same time)

Buster HATES his crate AND the ex-pen. He barks, howls, screams, scratches and has a pretty high impressive jump already. He howls and screams every time I get out of his sight. Once I was up/about after flu, I started leaving intermittently and following all the training guidelines I've read here and elsewhere. I also started click/treat rewarding him for sitting nicely in ex-pen and crate.

Bacon wants nothing to do with his little brother. I think Buster has been pretty respectful of him and does not bite his ears or feet like many puppies.

If you are still reading this...

1) I have Buster boarded with a small facility who watches pups in her home, with a great secure big yard and pens. There are 2 others being boarded and 2 of her dogs there. She texted and says he's doing great.
2) When I return home on Friday -- are there things I can do to undo any damage we may have done when our get home plan fell apart to try and get things back on track???
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Oh my, you have had a rough start. So sorry you didnít get to have the experience you were hoping for. I hope you and your hubby are feeling better. I would say you sound like you have read up on your training and to just pick up where you left off with your clicker trading. Continue to persevere with your crate and expen training and remember it takes a while for these babies to catch on. Donít stress yourself over it, he will slowly improve. I hope it will be more fun for you after Friday. Let us know how you are doing.
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The first weeks are such an adjustment anyway, and all of that makes it even more stressful. I hope everything settles down soon!

To clarify, did you mean that your puppy is 4 months old now or you brought home a 4 month old rescue?
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Hi - we tried several times to adopt a rescue... and fortunately for the doggies there were many more applicants than rescues....
We bought a puppy, who's birthday was 11/7/18. We brought him home back on 4/3.

I had a puppy 25 years ago (Shih Tzu). Then we have rescued/fostered 4 pups over the years. - 2 Spaniel mixes (Bailey & Bella), lab (Marnie) and our poodle/mix (Bacon Bit).

We lost our Spaniel Mix, Bella back in Dec to cancer. I wanted to bring another dog into the home that was more like our poodle mix Bacon Bit... which lead me to the Havanese breed.
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I would think a lot of his issues are due to how he was raised for the first 5 months before you got him. Was he in a breeders home or kennel or did he come from a pet shop? Knowing his previous set up will help you understand some of his behaviors and maybe help you come up with a solution. It will take time and patience get him to learn your expectations and hopefully resolve his separation anxiety. You may need professional help. I wish you all the best with your new pup!
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He was with the breeder's kennel... I went to their location to see facilities before bringing him home.
They say that he was never isolated...

Hindsight 20/20 --- would have done several things differently... BUT... I believe everything happens for a reason... and even though I paid pure breed pricing... I probably have a lot more "rescue" on my hands.

Not our plan... but we are committed to the little guy.

My first rescue Bailey would not use a crate and had separation anxiety too... BUT, he was 2 when I adopted him and was super easy to potty train.
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Howís he doing with confinement while boarded?

I agree to jump right back in and be patient, trust in what youíre doing with everyday training and know if might take a little longer. The good news is you are rescue people so you know all about that!

Iím not really experienced with training but Iím definitely experienced with undoing my own training mistakes So far persistence and patience has been the answer with everything except for separation issues. The ex-pen/crating issue is concerning to me, because heís a little older, but I donít know if that technically means anything. Heís also only been home a couple of weeks and theyíve been hard weeks on everyone. Iím curious if the breeder noticed these issues and started to work on them and what might have helped. Are you in a position to call and check in with the breeder? I know our breeder was really honest with us that in the week before we picked him up, our particular puppy seemed to have a harder time with crate introduction and being left alone. She considered matching us with a different puppy but I was naive and motivated and otherwise the puppyís temperament and very quick learning were a good match for us. Plus, my son told everyone over and over again he wanted a puppy who would follow him everywhere and he definitely got it!

I personally think if thereís even a question of separation anxiety a trainer should be involved, or at least consult to observe, and your situation is even more vulnerable. Especially because if you typically travel and work and he does have separation issues youíre going to need your whole family involved in resolving this issue, and a point person can help form a plan and provide support to you.

The reason I think this is so important is most of the typical advice and training you will receive about crate training can actually make it a lot worse if there are true anxiety issues present. One example of this is ďwaiting outĒ or ignoring crying. A typical puppy will respond to this approach, but a puppy with anxiety will become more and more distressed. While typical puppy adjusts with time, the puppy with anxiety will already have his fears reinforced by the time the problem is clear and there isnít improvement.
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I started writing earlier and didn't realize I clicked post! Ours also doesn't use a crate and it hasn't been an issue for us. We did use containment for potty training, we just used an ex-pen, creative furniture arrangements, and close supervision.

How did you manage your other dog's separation anxiety?
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With Bailey - we lost many a pair of mini blinds over the years! He had mild separation anxiety --- severe storm anxiety.
Calmy chews and securing him in our bedroom since he would not go in a crate worked well. Our bedroom had our smells and was quieter and less distracting than being in the front of the house near all the comings/goings.

I picked Buster up this morning. Boarder has a referral for a trainer she works with. She said Buster did well in his pen, but there were 2 other doggies there and that probably made him feel more secure.

As I type this, he is in his pen behind me while I am working on my laptop at the kitchen table. He is snoozing and relaxed - a HUGE improvement from last week. However; if I get up to go to another room, he jumps up and screeches. Sometimes he gets so upset he will urinate. So, we've made some improvements, but have some work to do.

When he howls, our other dog Bacon Bit runs and hides under the bed.

Good Times!!
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PROGRESS!!!!!!

Buster slept through the night in his pen last night.

An hour ago, he just pawed at the back door and sat down when he had to potty!!!!

We are working on "see ya" and seeing some improvement.
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