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Needing advice, is this chondrodysplasia?

Hello All, I'm fostering a female Havanese puppy and have some concerns about her conformation. I am not familiar with the breed, having never cared for one before. I've been aware of her out turned feet since she was a baby but figured she might grow out of it. Now that she's 6 months old they are pretty pronounced. Started reading online and learned that CD is common in this breed. I have no idea if it is that or just east/west feet. If she was mine I'd take her to the vet; however, the fostering situation complicates things. I don't want to raise the alarm if it is merely a conformation flaw. I soaped her legs in the one pic, she was getting cold and scared which may have exaggerated her stance. The other pic is after I clipped her, more relaxed for the photo shoot. I'm getting worried about her future health and really appreciate any feedback from the Havanese community 🙂
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She does have that chondrodysplasia look. But there is a genetic test for it now to make sure if you want to be certain. The bottom line, though, is that chondrodysplastic or not, it will probably not affect her life as a pet dog. If I had bought her, full price, as a show prospect, or especially as a performance prospect (though I suspect this would have been pretty obvious by 8 weeks) I would be pretty upset. But I know LOTS of Havanese that are in their teens now and look like this, because there used to be a lot more of it around than there is now. (nowadays it is seen more in BYB and puppy mill lines)

Yes, there are other health problems that STATISTICALLY are more common in condrodysplastic dogs, but that doesn't mean that they are "common", nor that they are a given in any particular dog. Odds are that she will be a sweet, wonderful pet for someone! I WOULD limit her jumping on and off things on those stubby legs, and would probably avoid sports like agility that put more strain on her joints.


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Thank you very much for your reply. I'm sad to hear that she has the appearance of CD but relieved to know that it is possible for pups like her to live long happy lives. She is such a sweet little girl! I'll be careful with the jumping on and off things. It certainly would be nice to have her tested and your observations may help me make a case for it.

Thanks again for your time 🙂
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Thank you very much for your reply. I'm sad to hear that she has the appearance of CD but relieved to know that it is possible for pups like her to live long happy lives. She is such a sweet little girl! I'll be careful with the jumping on and off things. It certainly would be nice to have her tested and your observations may help me make a case for it.

Thanks again for your time 🙂
I think the vast majority of dogs with it live long and healthy lives. Don't worry over-much about it!


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My first Havanese Sparky legs looked the same as your photo. His legs were shorter, bowed with feet turning out. I got him for my father when he was ten weeks old. He lived 15 years. I really didn't know anything about chondrodysplasia in dogs at the time. His vet never mentioned it. His coat was always kept long so I never noticed that his feet turned outward until he was older. When his coat was trimmed short it was very noticeable. Anyway...he never had any issue running! Here is a picture I found when he was about 14 years old. You can see his elbows are bowed and feet turn out.
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What a cutie he was!!!
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If that dog does have CD, it's not very bad, and I doubt it will ever cause her any problems. I would bet she probably does not. She doesn't have the best of legs, but I wouldn't worry about her. The left leg actually looks pretty good, and she doesn't look "low on leg" (short legs-shorter than 1/3 height from floor to elbow, and 1/3 from elbow to top of withers, and the other third from withers to top of head), at all.

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Thank you for your reply. Sparky was a handsome little guy 🙂. I appreciate you sharing your personal experience and I'm especially glad to know that he was able to keep running. This girl has so much energy and loves to move and it is nice to think she will likely keep running for many years.

Just one other thing, I noticed how perfectly clean Sparky's white face is in the picture. My pup's eyes tear a lot and there's a lot of staining. I've seen other small dogs like poodles and shih tzus with some tearing, but now I'm curious know if it is seen much in Havanese?

I wish I could do something for it. Mostly she seems comfortable, though she does paw at her eyes occasionally when she's playing (they tear more when she's active).
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Tom, I just read your post. Thank you for the information. I was just looking at some pictures online showing the imbalance between leg length and body depth in cd Havanese, and this pup does look much better than that. I'm encouraged that you think she isn't too bad and likely not chondrodysplasia.

I didn't explain the fostering situation, a bit too complicated to get into in my initial post, but I'm fostering this dog for a breeder who plans to have pups from her. It was an agreeable situation until the puppy's conformation flaws became apparent to me. Now I'm feeling morally obliged to make a case against breeding her. But maybe I'm overreacting. It would be very helpful to hear your take on it.
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Thank you for your reply. Sparky was a handsome little guy 🙂. I appreciate you sharing your personal experience and I'm especially glad to know that he was able to keep running. This girl has so much energy and loves to move and it is nice to think she will likely keep running for many years.

Just one other thing, I noticed how perfectly clean Sparky's white face is in the picture. My pup's eyes tear a lot and there's a lot of staining. I've seen other small dogs like poodles and shih tzus with some tearing, but now I'm curious know if it is seen much in Havanese?

I wish I could do something for it. Mostly she seems comfortable, though she does paw at her eyes occasionally when she's playing (they tear more when she's active).
Part of the tearing could very well be her age. Panda had a lot of tear staining until she was COMPLETELY done with teething. Then, sometime after her first birthday,... it all just stopped. Completely. It doesn't happen with all of them, some always have problems with staining if they have white around their eyes. But for a good number, it goes away along with teething.


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