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post #1 of 18 (permalink) Old 12-03-2019, 09:34 AM Thread Starter
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Hello,

I'm considering acquiring a Havanese and after one day of reading threads in this forum I've concluded this will be much more difficult than I anticipated. As I complete my order form for what I want in "my" Havanese, I've drawn a few conclusions.

- I don't want a Havanese with tear stains but it appears this is genetic and it doesn't appear that you can predict if a dog will have this condition long term, short term, or at all.

- I have no desire to keep a Havanese in anything other than a puppy cut or teddy bear cut. Now I'm learning that the hair texture (curly, wavy, strait) is a variable in the breed. I think the puppy cut or teddy bear cut will look different based on the texture of the hair. It also appears the texture of the hair can change as the dog matures.

- I have a preference in coloration and marking. It seems that color(s) on this breed change a good deal from what you see as a puppy.

- Size and character seem very predictable .


These are not inexpensive dogs and the more one tends to pay, the more one tends to demand of the pup you are purchasing. Unfortunately with this breed, it doesn't seem as though breeders can't control many of the physical characteristics of what is produced. Breeders can take steps to impact the health of the pups, and that's a good thing.

I look forward to learning more about this breed thru this forum.
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your concerns and expectations are troubling, I would have trouble selling you a pup if I were a breeder.

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your concerns and expectations are troubling, I would have trouble selling you a pup if I were a breeder.
I agree. The pup deserves unconditional love. Neither of my dogs are perfect but I love them just as much. I think people need to get down on their hands and knees if they have a healthy and well socialized dog and not get so hung up on looks.
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Hello,

I'm considering acquiring a Havanese and after one day of reading threads in this forum I've concluded this will be much more difficult than I anticipated. As I complete my order form for what I want in "my" Havanese, I've drawn a few conclusions.

- I don't want a Havanese with tear stains but it appears this is genetic and it doesn't appear that you can predict if a dog will have this condition long term, short term, or at all.

- I have no desire to keep a Havanese in anything other than a puppy cut or teddy bear cut. Now I'm learning that the hair texture (curly, wavy, strait) is a variable in the breed. I think the puppy cut or teddy bear cut will look different based on the texture of the hair. It also appears the texture of the hair can change as the dog matures.

- I have a preference in coloration and marking. It seems that color(s) on this breed change a good deal from what you see as a puppy.

- Size and character seem very predictable .


These are not inexpensive dogs and the more one tends to pay, the more one tends to demand of the pup you are purchasing. Unfortunately with this breed, it doesn't seem as though breeders can't control many of the physical characteristics of what is produced. Breeders can take steps to impact the health of the pups, and that's a good thing.

I look forward to learning more about this breed thru this forum.
First I want to welcome you to the forum. It is a great source for information on the breed.

To comment on tear staining. I don't think it's genetic. Some think it has to do with diet or dyes in the food or even minerals in water. Some dogs have it and some don't. You can always get a darker color dog and any staining won't be noticeable.

I'm not an expert, but I think the "curly" coat, I think this is genetic. The wavy or straight coat is more typical.

Regarding color, I think this is really interesting in the breed. Tricky though if you limit yourself to a particular color or shade. Check out this site regarding coloring in Havanese Colours of the Rainbow And look at the photo galleries.

Any breed dog can develop health issues regardless of breeder of lineage. There is no "perfect" dog.



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I had a bichon and she had terrible tear stains. I tried bottled water, angel eyes and other things but nothing worked. I finally decided to live with it because I loved her so dearly. I can understand your concerns because it is a nice sum of money to invest but the love is priceless. The Havanese is an interesting breed. When I adopted my bichon and my Yorkshire terrier, I knew what color and coat to expect because they are standard. However, I think this is one of the things that makes the Havanese so interesting. You find a rainbow of colors. I don't have a Havanese yet but I hope to get one. I cannot fault anyone's preference because I have a preference in gender. However, the most important thing is health and personality. I don't think any breeder of the Havanese can guarantee a specific color, coat , or gender. Having a lot of preferences will make things more challenging.

You may have to wait longer and hope to find a breeder who works with you. Again welcome to the forum. Hopefully we will both learn a lot more. I have already learned a lot. There are some awesome people in this group. You may even find yourself changing your thoughts on some preferences.

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I am sure there are many causes of tear stains. My Mia had them years ago. Since changing her diet, she no longer has them. This may not help in all cases but it did help her. I guess it depends on the cause.

I am grateful to reputable breeders for doing their utmost to produce healthy dogs for us. However, dogs are living creatures and breeders are not God so they are not in complete control.

IMO, how a dog is raised is just as important as it genetics. We dog owners cannot blame breeders for that. I have seen people do miracles with some rescue dogs, although this is risky.

If people are super turned off by tear stains, perhaps they should look at breeds who are not prone to them.
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I agree, about the tear stains. Some breeds are just prone to them such as Bichons, Havanese, Poodles, and Maltese. I just learned to live with the tear stains. It wasn't the worse thing. Sometimes it is merely genetics, allergies, and sometimes it's diet. I would just make sure you work with a reputable breeder and look at the parents. I agree breeders definitely cannot control the litter outcome.
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Welcome! You came to the right place to learn about your concerns.

Tear stains- if this is such a concern, you may have to consider another breed. I carefully clean my pups "discoloration"and debris twice a day without coming near the inner canthus or eye ( to avoid tension on the third eyelid and causing cherry eye). For me, I include cleaning the fur near his eyes in his twice a day upkeep of brushing his teeth ( buccal and palatal surfaces). Yes, Havanese need a bit of upkeep.

The puppy cut is great and I keep mine this cut, but I also do my own grooming and have done this for over twelve years (now on my second Hav). Even for me, at times this is very time consuming. I do a scissor cut with various types of shears and it takes me 2-3 hours every week to week and a half. It may take others less time, but this is not always as straight forward as it seems. And yes, texture and size of pup are both variable and affect the grooming. Nails are a more ongoing upkeep for my pup since I use a crystal nail file every 4-5 days. My current pup did not deal with nail clippers despite treating etc. The crystal nail file has been a life saver for us- and I get closer to the quick than with clippers. My pup is perfectly happy to have his nails filed with a few treats .

The color does change and size is not always predicatable. My current pup had parents around ten pounds but he has grown to closer to 15 pounds. He is longer in the body than his parents

Not sure if you have had the privilege of being a prior pup parent, but you will find that being focused on the external aspects are not at the center of the relationship. As mentioned above, this relationship is all about unconditional love and the inherent self-sacrifices it necessitates. And that is the love that drives all of us on this forum to be so crazy about our furbabies. Havs will also challenge you in ways you don't anticipate, so it is best to approach this choice with an open mind. Preferences are one thing, but accepting the pup for their unique ways even if they do not fit into your expectations will take you on a wonderful journey with so much to experience and learn. They teach us how to open our hearts
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White dogs are prone to tear stains. Select a dog with black around the eyes. You can pretty much tell what kind of the coat the dog is going to have looking at the parents and seeing the puppies. Whatever puppy you choose, you'll fall in love.

However, Havanese are HIGH Maintenance dogs because of their human hair coats. Puppy cuts are easier but not EASY.
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