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Hi All,

We are new to the Havanese world but have dear friends with one and are convinced it is the next dog for us. We have had labs for years and our current dog is 11 so we feel its time for a puppy. We have been on a breeder's list for awhile and it seems we will have to wait until 2021 as they have had fewer puppies and longer heat times this year. We found an adorable white Havanese puppy that is 10 weeks old. I am a bit apprehensive a there have not been puppies available in months. She has a pink nose and is all white. I asked if she was an albino as I have read they can have alot more issues than others. The representative told me she was white, not an albino but most of what I read, it sounds like they all are born with pink noses and by 8 weeks it darkens. Does anyone have any history with a white Havanese? We are in love with her but just want to make sure we are making the right decision.

Thank you for any insight.

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She is adorable! Here is a link to a wonderful website that discusses Havanese colors and pigment. https://havaneseabc.com/base7.html

I agree that it would be wise to fully research the breeder and the parent’s health testing.
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It sounds like you did your due diligence seeking out a responsible breeder and have been waiting on the list, knowing the lists are long right now. I would be inclined to wait unless there is a really compelling reason otherwise. There are legitimate reasons why something might change with a breeder right now and a puppy would become available, but there are also a lot of sketchy situations out there as a result of puppy fever. I would be incredibly vigilant about verifying all health testing, screening and personally meeting the breeder, everything, before changing the plan. This is important for any puppy, but any breeder with puppies available immediately I’d be extra careful in screening. It’s completely possible there isn’t a problem at all, but the alternative is a hidden puppy farm type situation. A few less months of waiting is not worth a lifetime of health, socialization and training challenges. Personally I’d try to do as much of this as possible before meeting the puppy because after holding and snuggling her it would be easy to overlook any red flags!
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I’m NOT an expert!!!! My puppy is 15 weeks old and my first ever! I think the puppy in the picture is lovely. I think she looks dilute. I don’t know if that’s bad. I’ve seen adult Havanese dogs with similar coloring and I think they are beautiful! In regards to her being available easily right now. I got my puppy now because of lucky circumstances. I was calling several breeders to get on lists, and heard about a breeder by word of mouth. When I called they happened to have a puppy because the family that had reserved her had an emergency and couldn’t take her at this time. They were not planning any more litters until next year so didn’t have on going lists. I just happened to be at the right place at the right time. Also I was able to make the drive to a remote very rural location several hours from Dallas/Ft Worth. I say that because I think it being a small town a long way from the city contributed to her still being available. I met Jojo, her parents and her mom’s sister. I was shown the parents health records and given information to look up their testing records. I saw where she was being raised and met the breeders family etc. It is possible to just get lucky right now but don’t just blindly trust because of high hopes! I can’t help but hope she works out for you... she’s so stinkin cute!
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Hi All,

We are new to the Havanese world but have dear friends with one and are convinced it is the next dog for us. We have had labs for years and our current dog is 11 so we feel its time for a puppy. We have been on a breeder's list for awhile and it seems we will have to wait until 2021 as they have had fewer puppies and longer heat times this year. We found an adorable white Havanese puppy that is 10 weeks old. I am a bit apprehensive a there have not been puppies available in months. She has a pink nose and is all white. I asked if she was an albino as I have read they can have alot more issues than others. The representative told me she was white, not an albino but most of what I read, it sounds like they all are born with pink noses and by 8 weeks it darkens. Does anyone have any history with a white Havanese? We are in love with her but just want to make sure we are making the right decision.

Thank you for any insight.

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She is not albino, that's for sure. She looks to me to be a very pale chocolate "extreme parti" with "poor" pigment from the standpoint of a show dog... which means NOTHING in terms of health or pet quality. Does this breeder do full health testing and proper socialization? If so, and if you like the breeder and like this puppy, the coloring would not concern me in a pet puppy. However, do NOT jump on this puppy just because you are in a hurry if the breeder and the puppy do not tick all the OTHER important boxes! Good luck!!!


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I’m NOT an expert!!!! My puppy is 15 weeks old and my first ever! I think the puppy in the picture is lovely. I think she looks dilute. I don’t know if that’s bad. I’ve seen adult Havanese dogs with similar coloring and I think they are beautiful! In regards to her being available easily right now. I got my puppy now because of lucky circumstances. I was calling several breeders to get on lists, and heard about a breeder by word of mouth. When I called they happened to have a puppy because the family that had reserved her had an emergency and couldn’t take her at this time. They were not planning any more litters until next year so didn’t have on going lists. I just happened to be at the right place at the right time. Also I was able to make the drive to a remote very rural location several hours from Dallas/Ft Worth. I say that because I think it being a small town a long way from the city contributed to her still being available. I met Jojo, her parents and her mom’s sister. I was shown the parents health records and given information to look up their testing records. I saw where she was being raised and met the breeders family etc. It is possible to just get lucky right now but don’t just blindly trust because of high hopes! I can’t help but hope she works out for you... she’s so stinkin cute!
The only "dilute" gene we have in Havanese is blue, and that is VERY rare and an automatic DQ. (and you can test for this gene, so there really is NO reason for it to pop up as a "surprise") Most breeders IMMEDIATE remove dogs carrying blue from their bloodlines. Chocolate is its own separate gene, it is not a dilution gene, but there is a wide range of expression... and of course, in Havanese, we also have so many modifier genes, that those ALSO come into play!

We'd need to see the parentage to know for sure, but I am close to positive that this is simply a very pale chocolate. (and an extreme parti on top of that, so that most of the coat is white, with color only on the ears, from what we can see in this photo) Pale chocolates with poor pigment and pale eyes like this are not at all uncommon, and one of the reasons that many Havanese breeders avoid breeding them. A REALLY NICE chocolate is GORGEOUS, but to breed a show-ring-worthy chocolate is EXTREMELY difficult, and you end up with a LOT of these cute puppies with pigment that makes them unqualified for show or breeding. Which makes it fortunate that they are so popular with the pet people!
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BTW, this is an ideal adult chocolate (champion) show bitch belonging to a friend of mine. This is her full adult color. She is not groomed for show here... this is just a snapshot in the back yard. Note that not only has her coat is deep, dark chocolate and that her eyes and pigment match the deep dark color of her coat. Eyes are ALLOWED to be slightly lighter in chocolates, but ideally, you want them as dark as possible. This is what breeders are HOPING for when they breed for chocolate. The few that stay like this they show and breed. All the rest go to pet homes. The funny thing about this gorgeous girl is that so far, she has ONLY produced (very nice) black puppies! LOL!
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She is gorgeous! I was hoping that Desi would stay dark chocolate like her but he is turning much lighter.
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She is gorgeous! I was hoping that Desi would stay dark chocolate like her but he is turning much lighter.
That is much more common. Fire is the exception... Which is why her breeder has been HOPING for a dark chocolate puppy or two from her! LOL! Now she is hoping that one of her daughters, who are black but CARRY chocolate (another gene we can test for) bred back to a chocolate sire might produce some dark chocolates like her! I'm not that big a fan of chocolates in general, but I think Fire is STUNNING!!!
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She is gorgeous! Jojo’s eyes are green I think or maybe hazel? But I think that’s one reason she would be never be considered a show dog! (Probably one of many ha ha!). I’m super glad for show dogs and how they keep everyone striving for the very best but also that they are rare! That, as you said, Karen, means there are lots of puppies for people like me who know they could never possibly have the patience to train a dog that well no matter what they looked like! Ha ha! I didn’t really like the look of chocolate either, Karen! But now that this is the color puppy I have; I find it super gorgeous and very interesting in terms of how they change and the differences in pigment and patterns etc! And besides, Jojo looks just like a Christmas teddy bear!!!
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