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post #1 of 27 (permalink) Old 01-12-2021, 10:14 PM Thread Starter
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Puppy joining our family soon!

Hi everyone! I might need to change my screen name soon because we found out that we're getting a puppy in March!

It was really important to us to get a puppy from an ethical breeder and we had braced ourselves for a long wait after reaching out to several breeders. After talking to a few folks, I felt really comfortable with one, Starborn, and got on Pam and Tom's waitlist.

On Christmas Day, my husband and I announced to our kids that we were on a waitlist to get a puppy but it would take 1 to 1.5 years. My daughter was so happy that she cried tears of joy. My son was jumping up and down with excitement. Fast-forward to a couple of weeks ago and I got an email from Pam....the stars had aligned just right for us and we should be bringing home our new family member in a couple of months! We are beyond excited!!

I lurked on the HF for a long time before joining as a member and love how supportive and wise HF members are here. I just wanted to say thank you again as we start our journey to becoming a family of 5! <3

Finally, I'm a bit nervous since this will be our first dog and am in full planning/nesting mode right now. I'm starting to figure out puppy essentials for our little guy. I was wondering what folks with multiple level homes do for crating and ex-pens when indoor potty training? We've got a two-story house. During the day, we spend a lot of time on the first floor in either the family room (which has line of sight into the kitchen) or the other side of the floor in the kids' toy room. In the evenings, we're usually gathered in the master bedroom. Should I buy ex-pens for each of the three areas? What kind of crate would you recommended? I love the look of the Richelle expandable pens and have also seen a Richelle crate on wheels. I've also seen the Cardinal Gates Perfect Fit Pet Gate that can transform into a pen. Does anyone have any experience with these? Finally, should I get a litter box for all three areas? Please continue to share your wisdom with this newbie.
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post #2 of 27 (permalink) Old 01-13-2021, 02:32 AM
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Welcome to the forum. It's tough to wait but worth it! You can research ex-pens and crates with the Google search bar at the top right corner above User CP. There have been some good threads on those issues, and litter box training, the past few months. We've never done that but it can be a big advantage to train your puppy using that method.
Since we have 3 of these wonderful family members we've done things differently than a one dog household. We started with a soft carrier with Jodie because we brought her home on a plane. Then we switched her to a hard plastic carrier a few weeks later. We also have a 2 story home so we have bells upstairs and on the sliding glass door downstairs so they can get our attention anywhere in the house.
I like to say people have been perusing the forum. Lurk sounds so stalkerish 😆 Sorry I can't be more helpful but you are in very good hands with Tom and Pam!

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Congrats on the new puppy news! How lucky you are to be getting a Starborn pup! Having an upstairs and downstairs pen/potty area will make your life a lot easier. I donít think you need more than one area downstairs to start. Put it in the most central location and remember that you donít want the puppy with you every minute. They need to learn to be in rooms alone and get used to you coming and going. Once they are trained to the litter pans you can position those around your house as needed without having the need for multiple expens on one floor.

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"Peruse" does sound less stalker-ish than "lurk." I've been perusing for several months now and using the search function. I haven't been able to find a specific enough thread with respect to multi-level households and really appreciate the advice. Thanks, again!
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Welcome to the forum! I am so happy for you and your family.

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I'm so happy for you! You will LOVE your Starborn pup! I can't wait to see what you choose as your new name, [email protected]@nese_Mommy_Wannabe8! (That is the one and only time I will be typing out your current name - tee hee!)

When I search for things in the forum, I use regular Google, NOT the forum's search engine. I just put this into Google ... "upstairs" "downstairs" "pens" "Havanese forum" ... and I got this thread.

Shama's 2x6-foot Pupperton pen is tucked under our kitchen island. Today, while I was at the dining room table having my afternoon office hours (I am currently teaching high school French at a distance due to COVID), she was crying at me to let her out. This is because she'd slept the ENTIRE morning after taking a long walk in a wooded county park yesterday and she was finally restless. She didn't end up crying long because I finished up then opened the door (when she wasn't crying!) Usually she's fine being penned as part of our routine when we are both teaching. If she's loose, she is more likely to bark. Normally, when we're teaching at our jobs which are two hours apart, an hour each direction from our house, she's alone from 6 AM to 4 PM except when our dog caregiver comes over around 11.

That whole paragraph was to let you know about Shama's main pen. Downstairs, we only have the "ancient" metal crate that my minpin used when I was a kid. We would occasionally put Shama in that pen during the witching hour when she would bite us as a puppy (before we discovered pigs' ears). As I recall, however, we didn't have Shama downstairs much when she was really little and not yet housetrained, but maybe we did ... Our main TV is down there, but we also have a TV in the living room which is next to the dining room and kitchen (and therefore Shama's pen) in an open floor plan.

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in her ex pen. When she stopped using it, we put it in the garage.

Keep the questions coming, and please take lots of pictures of your baby when you get him!

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Thank you, Shama's Mama! We are beyond excited!!

The tip for the Google search is going to be super handy. It sounds like I'm going to need to get at least two ex-pens and one crate (if not two) to make life a little easier for the puppy and all of us. I just need to figure out which one exactly. The wire ex-pens seem really easy to fold and move but we've got wood floors downstairs and carpeting upstairs so will need to get an ex-pen with a tray or buy a piece of vinyl like Karen recommended in another thread. On the other hand, your Pupperton ex-pen is beautiful and so is the Richell that I've seen some HF members post in pics. with their adorable Havababies.

One additional question that I just thought of was when did folks start putting a plush doggy bed in the ex-pen instead of a crate? I'm going to crate train at night - still going back and forth between leaving the crate open in an ex-pen after the puppy figures out indoor potty-training or closing the door - but should I try to crate train during the day, too, or just put a doggy bed in the ex-pen instead?
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ShamaMama do you think it would be possible to put pine pellets underneath the grate part of that Richell Paw Trax tray instead of pee pad/newspaper? I prefer the look of the tray (bit less of an eyesore) to a litter box but i like the the idea of pine pellets absorbing odor.
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post #9 of 27 (permalink) Old 01-14-2021, 12:47 PM
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Don't mind asking Pam about anything. No one will give you better advice, especially for our puppies. She's on the phone a Lot, and can answer questions easier talking, than having to type it all out in an email.

Lucy's puppies are now getting three play sessions, out in the house, with the adult dogs every day. I don't think you're getting one of Lucy's puppies, but I don't keep up with who gets which puppy. Anyway, I sit on the floor with them, with a litter box nearby, so I can place one in it.

They've been doing that for several days now. This morning, I didn't have to pick one up to put it in the box at all, and every one of them went into the box on their own to pee.

It's been too cold for them to go out on the porch, or outside, so we're having to do the play sessions in the house. Normally, we have a room just for a puppy play room, but with my 104 year old Mother living with us now, we've had to crowd up the dogs' rooms.

Birdy's puppies are all fat, and healthy, but they're still young enough to just be nursing, and sleeping.
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We had a RIchell ex-pen for Scout and then Truffles when they were puppies. I did put a plush bed in the ex-pen. They were not crate trained. Looking back now... not being crate trained was a big mistake. It was a problem when Scout needed ACL surgery and needed eight weeks of crate rest twice. Plus a crate can be easily moved around the house which is good since your house is two stories. I just used wee wee pads in the ex-pen which worked for us. The ex-pen was great for the first year. It is heavy so you probably will not want to move it once it is up.

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