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I have read the controversy over the Havana silk dogs. I am not clear on what they are suggesting, ....that the dogs were bred to something other than themselves to create these other gene pools? How do you alter the dogs genetic make up if not. Why don't they have these dogs ( havanese ) DNA tested to tell the make up? There are many companies out their that do this. If you google DNA heritage for dogs...there are many. Or am I missing what they, (Diane Klumb) are saying?
 
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The rest of you are a hoot!! I just about PIMP laughing at your emoticons!!!!! :biggrin1: :pound:
 
#18 ·
You got it, Heather! Ryan, it's a girl thing I guess. ;) lol :pound:
 
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The best place to ask about the Silk Dogs is through Silk Dog breeders. :spy: There is one active member here by the name of Tom King that is an HSD breeder. He is probably the only one who can accurately answer your questions. Most of the rest of us are still in the dark about the truth of all of it. :decision:
 
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I find the DNA thing interesting because I read something recently that they can trace "dogs" back to a certain type of wolf (Asian) and even go as far as saying the main line and like 3 lesser lines. I have no idea what dog DNA testing can tell regarding breed but would be interested to learn more.
 
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Hey Connie, so you got your Hav's from Hungary!
Yerry is from the same breeder Sierra is :) I have seen his pictures on her site, he went to a reputable breeder in Hungary and being very succesful!
And uhmm the other issue.....I'll....:peep:
 
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Connie, welcome to the forum. All of our dogs are different. You can sit ringside at any show and wonder about the differences. Coming from a breed that is very consistent and recognizable, this was a shock to me. The more I am around the Havanese, the more I see the similarities in personalities, reactions, and actions. Coat and size seems to be the major area where our differences are more apparent.

No one wants to open the HS issue again. When you read the threads you will understand why.
 
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Connie, I don't think anyone wants to shut you out. That's why we recommended you read the other threads. I personally think you should hear both sides of the story and maybe contact a reputable Havanese breeder, then contact a reputable HSD breeder and decide for yourself what you are interested in. I think it's completely understandable that you want to know what the deal is now that you want to start breeding.
 
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I don't see anything wrong with discussing the differences personally. If they are claiming that HSD is a seperate breed it is no diference than our discussing havanese vs. maltese. I think as long as people discuss the issue rationally it is a valid discussion. I think there is still a lot to be learned and jumping to any conclusions based on what a few people say or interpret is rash. The important thing is to do all the research for yourself and keep your ears and eyes open. I know I am amazed by things I hear and see all the time!
 
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I don't see anything wrong with discussing the differences personally. If they are claiming that HSD is a seperate breed it is no diference than our discussing havanese vs. maltese.
There shouldn't be anything wrong with it, but it seems that the conversations usually degrade into slams against Havanese or even implied slams... or tempers flare. It's still just a bit too touchy of a subject with many people.

Seriously though, if you really want to learn about Silk Dogs, Connie, there are many places to go to ask them. To my knowledge, Tom is the only HSD breeder here, and he hasn't jumped in to respond, so it may be worthwhile to go ask one from their web site linked e-mail.
 
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Since we are on the topic...........

A friend of mine is considering getting a new puppy.. a Havanese! OR an HSD...
I have tried to tell them as much as I know about the split and what you get and do not get for both 'breeds', but I guess I do not know very much really, even after reading all the original HSD/Havanese threads here and elsewhere. (and obviously I'm a bit biased as well being a havanese owner)

One question she has is this..(I did not even know this was a question or something to think about?? )
Are all puppies out of a HSD breeders litter infact HSD? Do they come out already pre approved HSD? or do they need to wait till they are 2 yrs of age to be registered as HSD? And if they do not make the grade, then do they get downgragded to Havanese only? Or does the simple fact of being bred by HSD breeders (HSD dogs) make the offspring HSD? Also, what if HSD parents are downgraded to Havanese? I'm assuming that means all offspring is no longer able to be HSD either??

Does this question even make sense??
Anyone know the simple answer?? (i guess nothing in life is ever simple.. lol )

Ryan
 
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havana silks

Since we are on the topic...........

A friend of mine is considering getting a new puppy.. a Havanese! OR an HSD...
I have tried to tell them as much as I know about the split and what you get and do not get for both 'breeds', but I guess I do not know very much really, even after reading all the original HSD/Havanese threads here and elsewhere. (and obviously I'm a bit biased as well being a havanese owner)

One question she has is this..(I did not even know this was a question or something to think about?? )
Are all puppies out of a HSD breeders litter infact HSD? Do they come out already pre approved HSD? or do they need to wait till they are 2 yrs of age to be registered as HSD? And if they do not make the grade, then do they get downgragded to Havanese only? Or does the simple fact of being bred by HSD breeders (HSD dogs) make the offspring HSD? Also, what if HSD parents are downgraded to Havanese? I'm assuming that means all offspring is no longer able to be HSD either??

Does this question even make sense??
Anyone know the simple answer?? (i guess nothing in life is ever simple.. lol )

Ryan
I think that is a great question, also does anyone know why they need to be 2 years old? Also does anyone know exactly when the breed standard changed, I don't mean the written standard...when there was the appearance change, and why wasn't it addressed then instead of letting breeders breed off the standards, and then resulting in changing the written standard. when they realized the standard changed why didn't they address it way back then? Also where do you get these cool icons???????????
 
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