I'm new to this forum and this is my first post. I have two Havanese puppies. Bodhi, my first, is a 13.5 month old male. Leela, my second, is Bodhi's full sister from the litter after his. She is 19 weeks old. The are the light of my life and this forum is a treasure chest full of information and education for me. So thank you all for that.
As I've been looking through various posts...then following various links...and on and on...(I could get lost in Havaneseland via cyberspace and never come back!)...I found a link to the Havana Silk Dogs Association of America. That too is an education. So my question to you is....what do yo understand the difference to be between the Havanese and the Havana Silk Dog? Is it the high integrity regarding breeding standards...or is it something even beyond that? Would I be silly joining the group with two beatiful dogs that might not reach their high standards or does it matter for the associate membership level?
Your thoughts would be appreciated and thanks again for all the info!
Welcome to the forum. Unfortunately you have discovered a havanese place that you will get lost in, say goodbye to house work right now :biggrin1:
I do not know much and have done very little research so I feel like I can give a totally unbiased and not very educated response and people who disagree can feel totally justified in their disagreement.
I believe you have asked a very sensitive question. I believe that most knowledgeable people on this forum have havanese and are too polite to voice what they really might be thinking deep down.
I think the havana silk dog came from a group of people who saw the direction that the very new havanese breed was going and didn't like it at all. I think they took ownership, to some degree, of the responsibility to the breed and decided that they would band together to make sure havanese went in the 'right' direction. They called it the havana silk dog (a description of the breed), started breeding under very controlled health and lineage guidelines with strict control over type of dog that was being bred (longer legs, not as long back, coat etc).
I think whether or not you want to join is totally up to you. Perhaps your dogs meets their requirements and you agree with their breeding direction. I know that the owners of havanese on this site are caring people. Most breeders here are very very attentive to breeding healthy havanese.
Most importantly, welcome!!!! Now how about more photos of your havanese/ havana silk dogs and a little bit more about them.
I believe you have asked a very sensitive question. I believe that most knowledgeable people on this forum have havanese and are too polite to voice what they really might be thinking deep down.
I think the havana silk dog came from a group of people who saw the direction that the very new havanese breed was going and didn't like it at all.
Meeka
I guess I'm not very polite because I'll respond especially to your comment and here it is ound:ound:ound:ound:ound:ound:
And this is what I think of this hsd stuff who were havanese then weren't havanese, then became havanese again all in a few months! I wonder if the dogs have an identity crisis? Here's what I think of it http://www.jashavanese.net/buyerbeware.html
Hi Joellyn!
Your doggies are beautiful.
There is a very long thread from the past on this subject. Reserve some time to read it all-it's a big one!
Welcome to the forum.
Joellyn, since this is a HAVANESE forum, I think your questions might be akin to going into a Protestant church and asking about the teachings of Buddha. It is probably not the right place to start if you really want information. Now, if you want to bring up a lot of bad feelings (that was a nice way of putting it, Jan), then you're in the right place.
If you want to know if your dogs fit into the HSD group, just go to the havanese gallery and check the pedigree's. Since you only just got the youngest one, I'm sure you know what breeder you got Leela from? (and you do live in the HSD homestead...)
If you want to know if your dogs fit into the HSD group, just go to the havanese gallery and check the pedigree's. Since you only just got the youngest one, I'm sure you know what breeder you got Leela from? (and you do live in the HSD homestead...)
WRONG Ryan. I bought a havanese from someone who went HSD and while there is a picture of her on their website, she is not a hsd. It has nothing to do with the pedigree of the dog. It has more to do with common sense or is that too blunt to say? Actually 3 dogs I've gotten can be registered as hsd and when asked if I'd register them with that group I laughed so hard that I thought I cracked a rib. Still makes me giggle.
The Havana Silk Dogs are not an American Kennel Club recognized breed. Several noted breeders decided to start a new breed/club with changes in the standard to fit the dogs they had bred. Lots of hard feelings, things said, friendships strained, but as of now the HS are Havanese and show at AKC shows as Havanese. They are not a different breed.
I'm new to this forum and this is my first post. I have two Havanese puppies. Bodhi, my first, is a 13.5 month old male. Leela, my second, is Bodhi's full sister from the litter after his. She is 19 weeks old. The are the light of my life and this forum is a treasure chest full of information and education for me. So thank you all for that.
As I've been looking through various posts...then following various links...and on and on...(I could get lost in Havaneseland via cyberspace and never come back!)...I found a link to the Havana Silk Dogs Association of America. That too is an education. So my question to you is....what do yo understand the difference to be between the Havanese and the Havana Silk Dog? Is it the high integrity regarding breeding standards...or is it something even beyond that? Would I be silly joining the group with two beatiful dogs that might not reach their high standards or does it matter for the associate membership level?
Your thoughts would be appreciated and thanks again for all the info!
You can do a search and find the thread Debbie mentioned plus one or two more if I'm not mistaken.
You could always contact the HSD Association and ask for their help as well...I think there are a few breeders in you neck of the woods??
Oh dear...the last thing I intended to do was to cause bad feelings. Thank you for the links to previous discussions on this. I'll certainly read them.
"Makes you wonder if it's a setup, doesn't it? One whole post and they hit on the one thing that stirs up a whole lot of BAD feelings."
Not a set up, just a newbie asking a question. Sorry.
"Your dogs are beautiful, welcome. Ask all the questions you want, you just sorta stepped in it with that particular one."
Thank you for that. I came as respite from my work with the dying. My dogs are the joy that balances the oftentimes intense and sad work I do. So asking my first question and causing bad feelings is not in line with why I am here.
I'll go back to just reading and refrain from further posting.
oh heck, I still don't understand what it's all about. From what I've heard and read, something about little bit different body type and maybe a straighter coat, but I know nothing about the politics. I think the argument is mostly among breeders and serious afficianados of the breed. I wanted a happy, healthy pet who was well cared for by her breeder in early life, and hopefully not a curly, cottony coat that would be too hard to groom. A few color preferences, but that's about it. I would have been happy to get her from any good breeder who called their dogs Havanese or HSD, really didn't matter to me because it seems like the same thing, and different lines are going to have little bit different "styles," regardless. Don't feel bad you asked! I actually don't understand myself why it's such a hot button topic, but then I'm just a newbie pet person, too.
Oh, I just saw your last post - please don't stop posting! I think people's replies came off more sarcastic or abrasive than they meant for them to, and that's not the typical response you will get to your questions. I think it's more an inside joke here, the hullaballoo over that Havanese/HSD argument, and not something you would have known about. I understood exactly what what you were asking (simple question from someone new to the breed, I would have asked the same thing).
I agree with Petaluna. Please don't stop posting. Welcome to the forum! Although,
I think we need to see more pictures of your darling Havs Especially, with that darling puppy you're goin to set off a IWAP (I want a puppy) riot lol. :biggrin1:
Joellyn,
I love the question! Your dogs are stunning. Please more pictures, especially of baby. I know nothing about the red hot HSD topic, but will be sure to research on my own.
Your topic was launched so innocently, all havanese topics are welcome here...I think.
Joellyn, no need to worry about having it deleted (although no topics are deleted here once they are posted). It is an innocent enough question, but just not something that goes over well.
No kidding about no thread going away? Wow the bandwidth!
Aw Joellyn, stay and talk Havanese with us. We love to see pictures and hear cute stories.
As has been said, you just walked into something that doesn't go over well with Havanese people although maybe we should send them thank you notes. Ah, life is good now so post, post, post, read, read, read, and leave the real world behind.
No, don't leave! ...The folks that answered you are some of the best-hearted folks around! Since you don't know them yet, the posts could have sounded more cranky than they were. I haven't even read through the whole thread yet about the HSD, so need to. It is kind of an "inside" joke for those here that lived through it and survived, I think.
Joellyn, please stay and post! especially post pictures of your adorable Havs...whether they are HSD or Bichon Havanais or good old Havanese you and your pups are welcome.
Welcome Joellyn, your Hav's are so cute I have often wondered the same, but just didn't post...hope you stick around. I am new too, and it is nice to be able to have lots of various opinions and ways to "parent" our wonderful Hav's!
Oh...an off topic "dumb" question. What does RLH stand for? Running Like Havanese? Real Life Havanese?? I feel stupid, but I seen this abbreviation in a few posts and have wondered.
Joellyn, I hope you decide to post again. I'm sorry you felt bombarded by asking an innocent question. To be honest, because I love to learn and am too darn curious for my own good, I'd be asking the same questions as you did if I didn't already know! So, please. No worries....... By all means, read the thread that Debbie mentioned in her post to you and if you have anything to add, you can always post there or here.
We'd love to know more about your two adorable Havs. I love that they are siblings, so am curious about them. :biggrin1:
I think while everybody debates and dis cusses, this topic you need to send Leely over to my house. She's way too young to be exposed to this kind of rhetoric. I'm trustworthy, believe me!
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