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not including puppies. We had already agreed to babysit for some of our puppy owners (we still call them puppy owners even if the puppies are 8 years old) and another couple had elderly family health emergencies so we ended up with a couple more. They're all doing fine and joined right in with the pack.

Soon after one of the males came in the house with his owners, he went over and started to lift a leg. This family is very mild mannered and they have had housetraining issues. As soon as he started to lift his leg I made my very loud, standard sound and went over and pinned him in a split second. The owner lady gasped (she does have complete confidence in us caring for their dogs as they drove hours to get here and will only let Pam groom their dogs) since I startled her too. The man just chuckled. She said, "Well, won't he be scared of you now?" I called the dog and he jumped out of her lap and came to my chair for some growling and jostling (spelling???). She said, "You sound like an animal!" I said, " I'm talking to an animal." He hasn't started to lift his leg again in our house and has been here for about a week.

They are NOT hard to house train. You just have to speak their language and earn their respect.

Pam's brother called last night and asked if we could keep their 2 Yorkies on short notice Ahh....... sorry.
 

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Hello Tom, may I ask what "standard" sound you make. I find this method very interesting because it really shows them who is the "pack - leader". I agree that although they are members of the family they are dogs and they have their own language. Please, explain in detail, as I find this fascinating. When puppies have an accident, what are some methods you employ? thanks :)
 

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I don't think it translates with letters. It works for horses and cats too. Just a quick "aaht!" so that they stop what they're doing and can be redirected. My earlier post was about an adult male. I'd never do that to a puppy. Puppies are picked up IMMEDIATELY as soon as they start posturing to potty and placed in the box. We have some 8 1/2 week olds out playing in the living room. One just went towards the box in their expen and started to get ready to pee. I picked him up before he got anything out, put him in the box, and praized him after he went in the box. I think he probably would have gone back in the expen if we had left it open but we haven't started doing that with these yet-probably will soon. No accidents on the floor even to start with is the right number. I can see where there would be problems with pups raised on raised floors or not watched much. Click on my name and click view all posts by, or something like that, to find other threads I've commented on potty and house training.
 

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Tom, When you say "box" do you actually use a box? If so, what kind. We have always just bought linolium and placed it on the hardwood floor in kitchen under the xpen & then just put paper or puppy pad (whichever they dont chew) down. I would love to get my new pup to actually use a "box". What is it you use? Thanks. Laurie
 

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Tom, I basically been doing the same thing as you. Everytime my 9 week old starts to nip or bite at my shoe laces, Hand or whatever I don't want him to touch, I give a loud "ARRRRRRRgh" sound and he stops right away and looks at me and goes on about his business playing with a toy. Anything he goes to do I don't approve of, I give that sound and he stops right away and gives me that sad look as he cocks his little head. Another thing I have discovered is after alot of playing and running in the house or yard, When he has had enough, He comes pawing at my legs for me to pick him up, Then when he does that I'll place him in my lap and he doses off to sleep.

So far in the week I have had Derian, He has been pretty much like clockwork on doing his business outside in the yard. Been fortunate he hasn't went potty in the house to this point. Being on vacation has been a huge help in that regards. I can count on him to be ready to potty at 7:00 am every morning, again at around 11:00 am, 2:00 pm, 5:00 pm, 8:00 pm and 11:00-11:30 pm. We put him in bed with us after that late night potty and he will sleep all night till around 6:45 am when he will then get up close to my face and start licking my face or giving a little whine to let me know it's time to get up LOL.

Now if I can just get him to take to a lead.:D This is the thing that Derian seems like he don't want no part of.:)

Anyway Tom, Seems like you got your hands full with all them babies.:)
 

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The "box" is a litter box for the Purina dog litter. We use "marine vinyl" uphostery fabric under the expens if they are on the wood floor. You can fold it up to store and it's easy to toss in the washer to keep clean. When we started raising puppies we trained them to newspaper for several years until Purina came out with the puppy litter. Now we start the pups on the litter as soon as they are big enough to toddle around. We use the Purina Yesterday's News for the little puppies since it's smaller in diameter than the dog litter and the little puppies can walk on it easier. I modified a plastic bin so the entry is low enough for the babies. They have the instinct not to soil their sleeping area to start with. It's especially important that they know what a box is by the time they stop nursing and start eating since that's when the Mom stops cleaning them up. Once they get big enough to be running around the little pieces make a much bigger mess with them slinging it out and we switch to the dog litter. The litter keeps their feet dry and with a proper progression of sizes of pens they learn to never do anything but use the litter.

We used to retrain horses but started raising our own from the start since it's so much easier to raise them right to start with. This just carried over to the puppies. No accidents on the floor is the right number just like no jerking on a horses mouth or no bouncing on his back is the right number. Retraining is many times harder and more frustrating than proper training from the start.

We've tried different kinds of pads but like the litter for the babies. They can be trained to use anything. We have adults who, if necessary and they can't go outside, will use newspaper, pads, or litter.
 

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Tom, thanks for the info, I am researching it online as we speak. I train my pups for eventual outside potty, only using the paper (or whatever) when they are babies & in the xpen. Will this work the same? I know that my breeder just uses paper so I assume I could use paper & the litter combined for a while but I dont want the pup to think he can use it always & not worry about going outside. I just like the idea of litter & a box better than the newspaper - I assume it is easier to clean up - but still want him to eventually only go outside. Any thoughts?
 

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We haven't found that training puppies to any of the paper, pad, or litter methods has had any hinderance on pottying outside. I separate potty training and house training into two separate issues. Potty training comes first and makes house training easier. They learn to "go potty" by command first. In fact, using litter can even help with deciding the area that you want for potty use outside. Just put a handful of litter where you want to start the outside work.

The litter keeps their feet a LOT cleaner than using newspaper. The liquid runs to the bottom. It gradually desolves any of the litter that soaks it up. As often as you like, you can just scrape aside the dry stuff on top with a kitty litter scoop and scoop the broken down stuff into a plastic grocery bag for disposal. It will need to be totally changed after several days or it does develop an odor. For just one dog it lasts a pretty long time.
 

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Thanks so much, I appreciate the info. I think I will try this method with my new little one.
 

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Hi All: wow 16 havs how fun. I just have to share my potty training experience with my guy Jasper. We were very nervous about potty training because the one Havanese we knew at the time was never trained- we knew it was the owners problem, but still we had concerns being a little dog and all.

So we decided to litter train or box train Jasper - I eventually got two 24" X 24" low flat plastic trays from a rabbit supply place on line (go figure) we decided on two - because jasper didn't like to pee where he pooped and vica versa. And the 24" square fit the pee pads. We put a doggy door beween our sun room and the garage where my husband closed in the area around the boxes so he couldn't get into hazardous garage stuff--- he couldn't use the doggy door until he was 3 1/2- 4 months so until then we just placed the trays by the door. When he was big enough to push the flap- we made a game out of coming in and out. And the pee pads did the rest. The funniest thing was- when he was young we were outside with him in the yard he would go whine at the door to go in and use the bathroom. We quickly worked on letting him know it was aok to go outside and now he prefers it

He is 11 months now and hardly ever uses his box- but holds it til we can take him out. But occasionally if something hasn't agreed with him, or we just took him out and he still has to go he goes out and uses his bathroom.. we hear the door go "click click" and we know he's gone (or he's letting us know he wants us to take him out)

the key was praise, praise, praise when he went-- and keeping the pads and the area clean- unlike a cat box, it needs to be cleaned up as soon as you can.

We are very proud of this. sorry if I've bored anyone with the details--- but maybe it will help you Laurie. --Missy
 

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"Thanks Missy - I did things differently with my other two but want to try to have a box or pan so cleanup is a little easier. I hope at 6 months to have the new one trained for outside only - and hope that watching and going out with his sisters will train him quickly, but I am always up for a new & improved way to do things! Laurie
 
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