I strongly suggest that you look into Susan Garrett's "Crate Games" program. It is WELL worth the money.We live in a small townhouse withLily, our 15 month old Havanese. We’ve never successfully trained her to a crate but I’d like to. She fights going in and gets frantic if left there. Although she is crated at the groomer’s (by them). Any tips or advice?
Thanks for your suggestions. I'm really not sure how she reacts at the groomer's. I didn't think to ask, which was dumb of me, but I was just concentrating on details of her haircut! But when I picked her up, I could hear her crying, and the associate who brings dogs in and out said,"she's just crying now because I just put her up." Makes me think she settles down after awhile probably seeing other dogs in the same situation. The grooming place I go to has very kind people who are champion dog owners (Salukis).
By the way, what is meant by an "x-pen"?
If you don’t crate for potty training purposes during the day, and she is familiar with the crate at night, I don’t think it will be as big of a thing as crate training for nighttime was, the way you set aside a week or two for for training. I would just start giving her a treat or chew in the crate and playing crate games so she sees it as an option. As long as a puppy is familiar with a crate and isn’t being exposed to it for the very first time at the vet or groomer or under stressful circumstances, it’s something you can work on over time. I think when there can be serious issues is when a family doesn’t familiarize a puppy with a crate at all, or only in a particular circumstance, (maybe because they are using another method of training or confinement, or they struggled with crate training), and then they’re suddenly faced with a situation where their puppy is traumatized because of being crated at the vet or groomer. Then that association with a crate can be carried with them to different places. I’ve heard about it happening with new puppies crated for shipping on planes, puppies from puppy mills, sometimes rescues, unfortunately, and many times after a puppy had a scary experience at a groomer. Every groomer I’ve been to has asked if our Havanese was crate trained for that reason. Often a puppy groom will include time to get the comfortable with the idea of the crate at the groomer but that’s most useful if they’ve had some crate training at home. It doesn’t mean that puppies can’t learn different sets of rules or adapt to different circumstances. Sundance’s daycare gives meals in crates and some of the dogs at daycare are there because they don’t do well crated at home, but they are completely fine being crated for meals at daycare. Of course, they’re accustomed to working with dogs that may have a history of anxiety, so they also aren’t shutting them immediately in a crate when they arrive on the first day of daycare - they have the opportunity to create a different association in a new environment. Sundance does okay crated at the groomer, but our most recent groomer only takes one dog at a time and doesn’t crate, which he loved. He actually got excited about going to the groomer instead of just accepting it. She isn’t available due to her health so we are looking for similar options.The way I crate trained my pups was to sleep in the same room with them for the first few weeks.
I also taught the command “go to bed” and gave a high value treat. At first with door open and then closing it for progressively long period of time.
It is a massive pain in the butt especially because my couch is not comfortable but it did work. The trick is to never make it a negative experience, but at the same time to NEVER give in because they are really smart dogs and once they get away with it once they know they can do it again lol.
Once I had moved back in my room I allowed her one bark to go potty in the middle of the night (puppy bladder) but there was no reward and straight back to bed. This carried on for about a month (also not fun) but she is now 100 percent crate trained for the night at least and doesn’t make a peep. She sometimes actually puts herself to bed if I stay up later than usual because she wants her bedtime treat lol.
I haven’t tried daytime crating because I work from home and also live in a condo and have similar concerns to you about noise and neighbors. I have been putting it off because I know it will probably be a similarly long long process and it is hard to find the time in my schedule to do it incrementally… not a good excuse though!
Yes, I agree. I’m just guessing, but I mentioned it because the Havanese is 15 months old, and panics and is frantic when left in the crate. It’s possible they are able to leave her confined or in a different way without her panicking and it just wasn’t mentioned, but it was unclear to me if the issue is the crate or if the issue is leaving her. But crate training could still be helpful either way, I’d just want help to do it with a Havanese that’s been struggling.Crate training and separation issues should be handled COMPLETELY separately. Crate training should be JUST a “game”, with you right there, with the dog, with the door never latched, until the dog is COMPLETELY comfortable and happy with the entire game. If, at ANY time, you were to use it for “confinement” or separation training” before the dog was TOTSLLY happy and secure about the crate itself, you would ruin all your work on the crate training.
They are two separate things.
Yes, I agree with you, that if they DO need to confine her, an ex-pen is worth a try (as would be confining her in a small room like a bathroom or laundry room with a cozy bed and water) but I would NOT use a crate if they are working on or intend to work on crate training. That was the point I wanted to make! Crate training should be a "game" and a "training" thing, while the separation thing, as you mentioned, needs the help of a behaviorist.Yes, I agree. I’m just guessing, but I mentioned it because the Havanese is 15 months old, and panics and is frantic when left in the crate. It’s possible they are able to leave her confined or in a different way without her panicking and it just wasn’t mentioned, but it was unclear to me if the issue is the crate or if the issue is leaving her. But crate training could still be helpful either way, I’d just want help to do it with a Havanese that’s been struggling.