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I wonder how you determine how much to feed your dog? I have a dog who seems hungry all the time, even immediately after eating. I know she is gaining weight and have her on some grain free kibble 1/4 cup plus some green beans for filler... but she still seems hungry. Her treats are mostly romaine lettuce.. she is 5 years old and was with a breeder who told me she easily goes to fat.
So how do you measure HOW much to give the dog a day, do you feed it all at one feeding or divide it up?
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Tucker stays between 17 & 18 lbs. We feed him 1/3 cup of California Natural Venison Grain Free twice a day. He also gets treats such as apples, carrots & green beans. If we feed him more than this he'll start to gain weight. We can feel his ribs easily and the vet says Tucker is at a good weight for his size. BTY, he's 2 1/2 yrs. old.
 

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Kodi, also 2 1/2, and 16 1/2 lean pounds gets 1/4 c (measured in a measuring scoop) AM and PM. He also gets a fair amount of training treats, but I am pretty sure he gets more exercise than the average Hav too.

Normal dogs are ALWAYS hungry. Don't let her suck you in.:) We even have a "system" so we know whether someone has already fed him in the morning, because when the next person comes down, he'll go through the "starving puppy" act all over again!:biggrin1:
 

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Tillie is about 9 lbs and gets 2 tablespoons of homecooked meat/veggies and 1 tsp of sweet potato twice a day. and she will lick the bowl for a full 10 minutes after it is empty!! LOL she has been holding her weight steady for 6 months now, so I'm assumming she is getting the right amount for her size.
 

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Bumi is about 15 lbs. He gets 3 chicken necks in the AM and about ½ - to ¾ cup of Beef mix in the afternoons. At about 8 PM he gets 1 or 2 pieces of chunky chicken breast treat or Turkey heart treats.
 

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Whimsy is 12 1/2 lbs and gets 1/3 cup dry kibble with 2 tablespoons of canned food mixed in twice per day. She only gets one small dog treat a day. She is at a good weight for her size. She's a little over a year and a half.
 

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Both the boys have been getting a good rounded 1/4 cup kibble and treats during the day. Dexter has stayed at 16 pounds and Jack has stayed at 12 pounds for about a year. I usually add just a little bit more food to Dexter's food.

Dexter loves to eat! He will beg for a treat after supper each night and I usually have to call him out of the kitchen to get his mind off the food. This is usually right after eating.

Dexter and Jack have been clearing their food bowls out pretty regular. In the summer, they have both skipped some meals.

I wonder if the cooler temperatures have anything to do with food intake...I am beginning to think yes.

Oh! There is a big difference in 12 pounds and 16 pounds! Dexter is heavy compared to Jack when I carry Dexter.
 

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Flynn,

A couple of years ago I put together a class (for people) on how to calculate exactly how many calories a day they needed to hold a desired weight. Just for the heck of it I researched how to do the same thing for dogs. I know I have the formula around here somewhere and I can give it to you if you'd like.

I keep Mojo at 16.5 pounds and to do it, he can have 324 calories a day. Right now I give him 1/4 cup kibble three times a day. Less on days with lots of training treats. The amount changes if I change the kind of food he's getting (it seems like a lot right now because it's high fiber).

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I feed twice a day, about 1/3 the total in the morning and the rest in the late afternoon. Of course our get treats also, but we don't overdo the treats. I feed by handsful. My dogs are fed communially (several together). It seems like sometimes they miss meals and others eat everything. When they miss a meal, others usually eat it. I check the dogs and no one is fat and if they need to gain a bit of weight, add a little more. "Teenage boys and girls" seem to be the only ones that need to gain ever. My oldest is 8, so don't have any old dogs, but anticipate with time will have to cut back when they get less active.
 

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Flynn,

A couple of years ago I put together a class (for people) on how to calculate exactly how many calories a day they needed to hold a desired weight. Just for the heck of it I researched how to do the same thing for dogs. I know I have the formula around here somewhere and I can give it to you if you'd like.

I keep Mojo at 16.5 pounds and to do it, he can have 324 calories a day. Right now I give him 1/4 cup kibble three times a day. Less on days with lots of training treats. The amount changes if I change the kind of food he's getting (it seems like a lot right now because it's high fiber).

Cindi
Yes Cindi I would love to have it for ME and Mia...thank you so much. Oh, what brand of Kibble doyou feed?
 

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Well, it seems most are feeding between 1/4 and 1/3 cup of kibble. I am giving the 1/4 cup but adding about that 1/3 to 1/2 cup of green beans to that..there is a 1/3 tsp. of canned salmon in the AM. She gets romaine lettuce ribs and is constantly trying to rip the lid off the food container, in the kitchen, etc...I know she is overweight because I cannot feel her ribs and she has a bump of fat at the base of her tail when she stands on her back legs.
We take two long walks a day and that averages about 3 miles total..she plays some with SW, also. I have her on TOTW right now. I appreciate all the comments and suggestions. I know Kodi is probably more active. Becky I feed her in her crate so I know exactly what she eats, yours do well to eat together. Linda, do you feed your boys separately? Bone structure might account for the difference in weight???
Whimsy is a good size so she must be getting just enough. Zury, my cats would carry off the dogs and food, if I fed raw, if I did not have the cats I might try it.. Tucker sounds about the same size as Mia, and I may just try the 1/3 cup and forget the green beans, if she doesn't open the cabinet doors...she is older than Tucker...
Thanks for the help!!
 

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Well, it seems most are feeding between 1/4 and 1/3 cup of kibble. I am giving the 1/4 cup but adding about that 1/3 to 1/2 cup of green beans to that..there is a 1/3 tsp. of canned salmon in the AM. She gets romaine lettuce ribs and is constantly trying to rip the lid off the food container, in the kitchen, etc...I know she is overweight because I cannot feel her ribs and she has a bump of fat at the base of her tail when she stands on her back legs.
We take two long walks a day and that averages about 3 miles total..she plays some with SW, also. I have her on TOTW right now. I appreciate all the comments and suggestions. I know Kodi is probably more active. Becky I feed her in her crate so I know exactly what she eats, yours do well to eat together. Linda, do you feed your boys separately? Bone structure might account for the difference in weight???
Whimsy is a good size so she must be getting just enough. Zury, my cats would carry off the dogs and food, if I fed raw, if I did not have the cats I might try it.. Tucker sounds about the same size as Mia, and I may just try the 1/3 cup and forget the green beans, if she doesn't open the cabinet doors...she is older than Tucker...
Thanks for the help!!
I feed at the same time, they both get their bowl. Jack will watch Dexter eat, then he will eat.

Today we got treats... a greenie, tiny biscuits from PetSmart, and a 1/2 curly tendon. They are still working on the tendon.

Yes, Dexter is bigger boned compared to Jack.
 

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Mine all get fed together. They each get close to 1/2 cup of Fromm's Four Star, twice a day. They also get "cookies," which vary, depending upon what I have in the house, when they come back in from the yard. Milo's weight is a little more than 10 llbs, Ruby about 9 and Bailey is over 13.

They tend to regulate themselves. When they've had enough, they stop. I leave the bowls down all day, so they can go back to it at will. Bailey is the only one who will clop at his bowl if it's empty and he's hungry. That can happen any time of the day, but usually late in the afternoon. None of mine is putting on weight.
 

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Mine all get fed together. They each get close to 1/2 cup of Fromm's Four Star, twice a day. They also get "cookies," which vary, depending upon what I have in the house, when they come back in from the yard. Milo's weight is a little more than 10 llbs, Ruby about 9 and Bailey is over 13.

They tend to regulate themselves. When they've had enough, they stop. I leave the bowls down all day, so they can go back to it at will. Bailey is the only one who will clop at his bowl if it's empty and he's hungry. That can happen any time of the day, but usually late in the afternoon. None of mine is putting on weight.
I leave Cey's bowl out all day too. I am currently transitioning him from puppy Orijin to Canidae grain-free pure elements all-stages kibble... he seems a bit more interested in eating now that he is getting some new kibble in his bowl lol and is eating closer to 1/2 - 3/4 cup a day instead of the mere 1/4-1/2 cup he used to eat! Only difference that I notice so far is more poop lol, but no tummy upsets/butt baths and he is not putting on weight (I actually would like him to gain a quarter to half a pound or so; he has big bones but is still a bit skinny under all of his hair... and no it's not parasites, I've checked... he just isn't a big eater...)
 

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I hope I am not over-feeding! Digs gets 1 cup of Orijen Regional Red per day. I fill it in the morning and leave the bowl down all day. :peep:

With walking and playing he's a pretty active Hav. I certainly don't think he's overweight. :redface:
 

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Yes Cindi I would love to have it for ME and Mia...thank you so much. Oh, what brand of Kibble doyou feed?
Flynn,

1. Convert Mia's desired weight from pounds to kilograms. I want to keep Mojo at 16.5, so: 16.5 pounds X .454 = 7.48 kilograms
2. Plug the desired kilograms into this formula: (30 X 7.48) + 70 = 294 calories to meet basal metabolic functions.
3. Now you factor in your dog's activity level. I used "light" (but not couch potato) which is a 1.1. So take the calories you got in step 2 and multiply it by the 1.1. 294 X 1.1 = 324. That's what he can have on an average day. If we walk a lot or work on a lot of physical training, he can have a little more. If I get lazy and he doesn't get a daily walk, he gets a little less.

This formula is one of several I've found. It has worked for Mojo (he holds the desired weight and never appears to be hungry). I use it in conjunction with how he "feels" under my hands. But it won't work for all dogs. Age, environment (temps under 50 F and over 86 F), breed, health of the dog, pregnancy, lactation, and activity duration and intensity will all come into play. I've seen activity factors that range from 1.1 to 1.95 (check out Small Dogs Paradise if you want a nice breakdown on those).

Dog food bags will give you the calorie count per cup (at least those that I have used do). But they seem to really, really overestimate how many calories a day the average, nonworking dog needs.

I'll PM you how to calculate for people. It's more complicated, but I'll put together a worksheet that you can just plug numbers into!

Cindi
 

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I feed at the same time, they both get their bowl. Jack will watch Dexter eat, then he will eat.

Today we got treats... a greenie, tiny biscuits from PetSmart, and a 1/2 curly tendon. They are still working on the tendon.

Yes, Dexter is bigger boned compared to Jack.
What is the curly tendon? Is there a brand, I looked at PetSmart today but did not see them, the sales people couldn't help me..Is it all edible??
 

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Someone once told me to make a fist and feel my knuckles: If you compare that with the feel of your dog's ribs, that's too thin.
Turn your palm over and feel the pads of your hands where the fingers join the hands: Coompare that with the feel of your dog's rib are. That's too fat.
Now, turn your hand back over and leave your hand open. Feel your knuckles. That's just right.

I don't know if that's accurate, but it seems to make sense to me.
 

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Someone once told me to make a fist and feel my knuckles: If you compare that with the feel of your dog's ribs, that's too thin.
Turn your palm over and feel the pads of your hands where the fingers join the hands: Coompare that with the feel of your dog's rib are. That's too fat.
Now, turn your hand back over and leave your hand open. Feel your knuckles. That's just right.

I don't know if that's accurate, but it seems to make sense to me.
Sounds reasonable to me...Thanks for the explanation!!!
 

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Someone once told me to make a fist and feel my knuckles: If you compare that with the feel of your dog's ribs, that's too thin.
Turn your palm over and feel the pads of your hands where the fingers join the hands: Coompare that with the feel of your dog's rib are. That's too fat.
Now, turn your hand back over and leave your hand open. Feel your knuckles. That's just right.

I don't know if that's accurate, but it seems to make sense to me.
Cool! That feels very close to "right"! I probably have boney-er than the average person due to my RA, but it's not TOO far from what Kodi's ribs feel like, and the vet calls him "healthy-lean"
 
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