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From another thread, Tom King said he had over 60 people on his wait list. I suspect that other top breeders are the same. How should I approach these long lists? There are a couple of breeders who I am familiar with and would love a puppy from.

When you get added to a huge list, are breeders still expected the nonrefundable deposit fee? Or are they putting you on the list and ask for the fee when you get closer to the top? I can see putting down a deposit if I am 10-15th in line but not 61st.

What have you guys been experiencing?
 

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I made the decision to wait rather than be put on a long list last spring. I was already planning for a puppy in 2020 when covid began. At the time I assumed the bulk of puppy fever would pass by this fall, and a lot of people would drop off lists, but that doesn’t seem to the the case. When I decided to wait, I thought I’d try to get on a list at the end of this year or early next, for a puppy sometimes in 2021. Some of the lists are so long, it sounds like it could be a 2 year wait! I don’t feel a time urgency to bring home a puppy right away because I have a 3 year old Havanese, but now that I’ve had a dog, a year or more seems like an unbelievably long time to go without one.

I hope other will offer their insight on this, particularly what we might see over the next year or so. I also worry that there will be more irresponsible breeders in response to the increased demand and it will be harder to filter them out.
 

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We thought that we would have 5 or 6 years before we needed to go puppy hunting again. :frown2:
 

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Some of the breeders wanted a deposit in order to be added to the wait list while others just took my information and told me they would contact me when they had an available puppy. As Tom said, the lists change as people drop off, find puppies elsewhere, etc. I lost my dog in June and I can understand how hard it is to be without puppy snuggles. I hope you are able to find your new puppy soon.
 

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Many people will drop from the wait list, finding puppies elsewhere or a change in circumstance. I would try to touch base with my top picks and let them know how interested you are.
I called 6 breeders on Friday(Bichon Frise) and left 6 messages. It is Monday night and not one has called back.
 

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From another thread, Tom King said he had over 60 people on his wait list. I suspect that other top breeders are the same. How should I approach these long lists? There are a couple of breeders who I am familiar with and would love a puppy from.

When you get added to a huge list, are breeders still expected the nonrefundable deposit fee? Or are they putting you on the list and ask for the fee when you get closer to the top? I can see putting down a deposit if I am 10-15th in line but not 61st.

What have you guys been experiencing?
Honestly? I would not work with a breeder who expected a non-refundable deposit fee before they were able to tell me, FOR SURE, that they had a puppy for me. If I back out after THAT point, it's on me. Up until then, there is absolutely NO reason for them to keep the money. Especially now, when (if they are a GOOD breeder) they have people lining up for puppies. They will have NO problem placing that puppy. Non-refundable deposits are double-dipping, MO.
 

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Some of the breeders wanted a deposit in order to be added to the wait list while others just took my information and told me they would contact me when they had an available puppy. As Tom said, the lists change as people drop off, find puppies elsewhere, etc. I lost my dog in June and I can understand how hard it is to be without puppy snuggles. I hope you are able to find your new puppy soon.
I think, if you are serious about getting a puppy, it is a mistake not to get on a list if you can, with a breeder you'd really like to get a puppy from. Things change. Sometimes fast. And it is the person who is in the right place at the right time that gets the puppy.
 

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I was not asked to put any money down for a deposit until the litter was born. I was on the waitlist but wasn't asked to pay money until after I was contacted after the puppies were born.
 

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One reason our list is so long, is that we don't ask for any deposit until we know we have a puppy for you, after the puppies are born. Then Pam goes down the list, starting with the date the inquiry was received, unless they have had one of our puppies before.

We have people that bought puppies from us, maybe even 20 years ago, and are old friends. We know they will be great homes, and will be little trouble for us.

A lot of times, people will have already found a puppy somewhere else, or had something come up in their lives that makes it a bad time to start raising a puppy. Sometimes there are none of these (very rarely), and most of the time they drop off in numbers.

It's very rare for someone who has been on our list, and is not now a prospect to get one from us, that will notify us. This can take a lot of time, and someone that was 10, or 12 on the list may get moved to the top because of people that have dropped off.

With the numbers on the list now, it's hard to see where it will go.

Pam tries to contact people on the list as soon as things calm down after the puppies are born. Even so, giving people a couple of days to make a decision, if six people have dropped off the list, you can see where that puts us a week or so behind. Some people have dropped off because they weren't notified soon enough to suit them after the puppies are born.

There is a lot of ebb, and flow to it, and not as simple as it may seem on the surface.

Once we know we will have a puppy for you, even not knowing which one because we don't know who they are until six, or eight weeks, we ask for a deposit. We used to not even ask for a deposit, but you would probably be surprised at how many people played the part until it was time to come get the puppy, and then we would have to scramble around, and find a new home for it.

I'm not even sure how many states allow any kind of non-refundable deposit. I know in a lot of states, it's not legal on anything.
 

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Pam, I wish you could come over and hang out with Shama until you get your new puppy. I am thinking of you!
 

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I was not asked to put any money down for a deposit until the litter was born. I was on the waitlist but wasn't asked to pay money until after I was contacted after the puppies were born.
That is a reasonable request. at that point, you are taking a place that could go to someone else. But Not for some puppy in some litter a breeder MIGHT have in 6 or 8 months...
 

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We thought that we would have 5 or 6 years before we needed to go puppy hunting again. :frown2:
I'm getting the impression that if you're proactive, when you're ready, it will work out and not be quite so long.

The information shared helps me feel better about it. I was starting to worry that if I waited to get on a list, they would just continue to grow. But some things have changed with DS and I want to be sure we don't bring home a puppy when our schedule isn't predictable, especially when it's already difficult to socialize puppies right now.

I do believe these things tend to fall into place, I just have a tendency to second guess. I have a feeling the right puppy will find his way to you.
 

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I'm getting the impression that if you're proactive, when you're ready, it will work out and not be quite so long.

The information shared helps me feel better about it. I was starting to worry that if I waited to get on a list, they would just continue to grow. But some things have changed with DS and I want to be sure we don't bring home a puppy when our schedule isn't predictable, especially when it's already difficult to socialize puppies right now.

I do believe these things tend to fall into place, I just have a tendency to second guess. I have a feeling the right puppy will find his way to you.
And I think the socializing thing is working out better than people first thought it would. Especially now that we are out of TIGHT lock-down mode. I think there are LOTS of EXCELLENT ways to "socialize" your puppy without them being mauled by every Tom, Dick, and Harry. You just need to be thoughtful about it. Even puppy classes are going on at many/most training schools, with masks and social distancing for the humans.
 

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I'd like to point out that "Mama Mills", who posted that they will be getting their puppy in Dec., is another person who came to the forum, I think at the beginning of the summer, when the waiting lists already seemed impossibly long. But she was smart. She talked to breeders, Got on at least one list... Hopefully she'll see this and respond, but if not, go ask her on her thread, and then, "things happened"... people moved around on lists, and here she will be getting her puppy in just a couple of months!!! So don't give up hope! There is a breeder out there for you, and your puppy may not be born YET, but he will be before TOO long!!! :)
 

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Yeah we personally got Roxie because we got Oliver from her and we keep in touch all the time. I send her pics and updates, etc. So there's a big aspect to socializing with people. Also, there were circumstances that made her preferring to give the last litter to people she knew (she had to move out of state unexpectedly when the puppies were relatively young).
 

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I'd like to point out that "Mama Mills", who posted that they will be getting their puppy in Dec., is another person who came to the forum, I think at the beginning of the summer, when the waiting lists already seemed impossibly long. But she was smart. She talked to breeders, Got on at least one list... Hopefully she'll see this and respond, but if not, go ask her on her thread, and then, "things happened"... people moved around on lists, and here she will be getting her puppy in just a couple of months!!! So don't give up hope! There is a breeder out there for you, and your puppy may not be born YET, but he will be before TOO long!!!
YES!! We weren't overly eager but I did secretly hope we would have a puppy by Christmas. I spent early summer researching breeds heavily and once I discovered havanese I contacted 4 breeders here in northern Colorado. Once I spoke to the breeder we are going through I knew I would be willing to wait for one of her puppies because her and I had a connection. I sent a deposit mid July and we found out two weeks ago we will bring a puppy home in early December!! I know the uncertainty and waiting is difficult but I would encourage you to explore your options and trust your instinct when you feel you've found the right breeder. As many others have said, it may not take nearly as long as you suspect 🤞🏼
 

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Exactly this. :) It happened twice for me (I should have bought a lotto ticket).

My breeder has a long wait list as well, but we were lucky with our timing in meeting her when Denver’s mom was pregnant. I drove out to an agility trial to meet some of her dogs (the moms owner competes, so I watched him run with his other 2 havs), and my breeder came and one of her dogs was plunked in my lap and that was it. LOL. As I was looking for an agility dog and both parents are titled in agility, the fit was perfect.

Then when I decided to get a second dog, I was expecting to wait a year (I didn’t really want under the age of 12 months, but I knew her list was long). Instead she approached me a month later to discuss co-owning as this was her dream breeding and wanted to keep the sire’s mini-me in her program but didn’t want to have another male around (she was already keeping a female from this litter). Most of this breeding was to go to other breeders for the genetics, but she really wanted to keep Keeper for herself (the name was not by chance..lol). So now I have 2 much closer in age than expected. Lol.

It can happen. :)
 

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Just for general information on wait lists, Pam started contacting people on ours today. We're expecting puppies in 3-1/2 weeks. Out of around 1/3 of our list (all Pam is contacting to start with), starting with the oldest ones, about 2/3's responded to her email. Of those, a little fewer than 1/2 were excited, and ready for a puppy, a few said the timing was not right, but wanted to stay on the list, and the others had already found a puppy somewhere else. We never know what happens to the 1/3 that we never hear back from.

So, maybe that makes a long list a little less daunting. It always changes. So as long as our list is, people who joined it last April, May, and maybe even later are now up to the top.
 
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