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Bessie & Max's Parents
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I'm sure there will be a big variety of answers, but what kind of food and what kind of treats do you feed your puppies?
 

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My dogs get Rayal Canin kibble and Little Cesar wet. I know, the LC is the pits, but I mix it half and half with Nature's Recipe Carved Lamb and veggies.
I also add some Nutricote and Nutracal. They seem to be doing OK. The other day, I bought Wysong, a very good food and expensive. The man in the store said if they didn't eat that and we have tried everything else, he was at a loss. They didn't eat it.

As for treats, the only thing they like is Freeze Dried Beef Liver and Flossies. They do not like any biscuits, peanut butter is a no-no (and most dogs will kill for PB), and they're not crazy about cheese, either.
 

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I feed Ricky, who is now 7 mths., Innova puppy kibble. Once in a while, I add some canned food from "Wellness" - maybe once/mth. He also gets liver treats, some frozen beef and/or veal bones, depending on what I pick up at the groceries. I keep the bones in a freezer bag and give him one right out of the bag. He loves them! I treat/train with dried liver bits which he loves. I also have those heart-shaped biscuits - I think they're from AKC, but not sure...

Because someone got him some Dentabone for Xmas, he's had those, but his last one was yest. so that's it.
 

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I feed Yoda the solid gold he likes it alot and as for treats he just wont eat treats for some strange reasons I have spent a small fortion on treats and ended up giving them all to the pound.He will eat cook chicken & turkey and hotdogs as a rare treat but that is it.
 

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Sam gets Royal Canin "Shih Tzu" food mixed with a teaspoon of Pedigree can food. For treats I give him "Zuke's Mini Naturals" there are really tiny and great for training. But I should mention that in his last show the judge told me he was too fat.LOL So I guess I have to cut back on the treats.LOL:)
 

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Quincy eats Flint River Ranch kibble.This was recommended to me from a hav show/breeder to get away from "beet extract"or dyes found in some other foods,hopefully to improve his "stache" staining.He likes it.For treats,he likes chicken jerky in long sticks from Walmart.He also likes greenies and denta-bones but only once in awhile.He will do anything for cheese!Loves Loves Loves cheese!He wants to eat whatever we eat....but no....he loves yogurt too,and when my little boy spilled it,we discovered how quick he can "gobble":eek:
 

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I fed Bugsy Solid Gold Wee-Bit (specially made for small breeds), but he doesn't like it any more, so I switched him to Invo Evo an all meat, no grain product, so now I feed all three of my dogs the same food. For treats I just use Charlie Bear liver treats or just his kibble....he doesn't care. ;)
 

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Every once in awhile I will feed Derian a small milk bone treat which he loves or soft type bacon and cheese treat. My Vet told me keep the treats to a minimum. With this breed being known for picky eaters, I wouldn't suggest feeding treats every day.
 

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Cosmo eats home cooked food and Ahnold eats the same . Cosmo seemed sensitive when I got him and the vet #2 recommended home cooked and he is doing well . No more scratching or bowel upsets ..
Cosmo was fussy .. Asta never - he would eat Wysong and did well on it . I tried not to give Asta any food that had corn in it .
Funny Asta's vet recommended Science Diet for sensitive stomach . He did not tolerate it well .. it had corn in it
Later I fed him a brand called Healthy Pet - it is supposed to be better . I say supposed to be better . Now I am not so sure .
Cosmo & Ahnold are like Frick and Frack - amazing what introducing another dog does . No more no Thank you Mommy . They are both good eaters - no more fussiness from Cosmo . In the beginning I was throwing away so much food ..
As to treats when Cosmo was a real little guy he loved some natural liver treats ( made by a woman in Ca ) and cheese . Jarlsberg cut in itty bitty pieces . Then he went to puppy school and the trainer got him hooked on the Natures Recipie roll . That was the only thing he would does his commands for .
Now he is off them - thank goodness . Thanks Ahnold .
None of you people mention Chewies .. Cosmo first vet recommended rawhide . I do not recommend it for young puppies and really not at all Cosmo's breeder said No ..
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She recommended cow hooves and pig ears I am not recommending them just saying what she said .
I tried the kong - not a big hit . He can get the treats out in a heartbeat ..
Asta liked bully bones and they kept his teeth nice & clean .
Just a FYI - I did feed my German Shorthair - solid gold but he ended up on home cooked as well .. He did much better on the home cooked .. I think it extended his life by at least 2 years ..
 

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At what age do most people start giving their puppies treats? I haven't given our almost 3-month old puppy any treats yet (we do give him lots of praise though). I am wondering if most treats would be hard for him to chew (we soften his kibble with water because that is what his breeder recommended, but maybe that isn't necessary?).

We are feeding our puppy Purina Pro Plan Puppy Food because that was what the breeder was feeding him. At the breeder's request and based on research on the Havanese, we also give him 1/2 egg yolk/day. Is anyone else doing that?
 

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dscheles, I started with the treats 4 weeks ago because we started Oreo in puppy classes. He is now 16 weeks, so I would say we started with the treats at about your puppy's age. The only thing I did offer him was beef tendons to keep him entertained in his expen, when I was busy around the house, but I would always pop in to check how he was doing with it because he would get through it pretty fast and maybe within 30 mins he was down to a short length. As for the kibble I did do what the breeder suggested in terms of soaking some of his kibble and mixing it in with his dry kibble. He did not like that so I now simply add enough water to simply coat his kibble. As for the egg supplementation, my breeder did suggest to me, that I give him a 1/4 of an egg with his first meal daily. Just for this week, to humour my vet, I am not giving Oreo the egg. Oreo has been having softer stools and my vet seems to think it is the egg. If it is the egg that has been upsetting his stomach then I just may resort to adding just a little flax seed oil to his food in the mornings for his Omega fats. I would love to hear other hav owners on their take with the egg supplementation. :)
 

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Dscheles,

You should try Charlie Bears. They are wonderful, easy to chew, yet crunch liver treats that are only 3 calories. They are excellent for training or just when you want to treat. I live in San Francisco and these treats are readily available in all Trader Joe stores (they are also the cheapest there, about $2.50 or $2.75). Here's a link to see what they look like.

http://www.puplife.com/dogsupplies/02cbcbl.html
 

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Puppy Kibble: With Jasper I tried every single puppy kibble from high quality to junk---. canadae, artemis, fromm, merrick, natural balance, royal canin, evo, bil jac, beneful.... he would not eat it.

Lo and behold, Cash comes along with his Purina puppy chicken and rice formula-- and Cash is a chow hound--- now he and Jasper eat out of the same dish- tried feeding them seperately- but neither of them would eat- so now I put a long baking dish down with their food mixed with a half of egg yolk and two bill jac liver treats and they eat together, sometimes taking turns'

Eggs: Cash's breeder told us 1/2 an egg yolk a day until he was 6 months and then 1 egg yolk a couple of times a week for life. We had been using egg to try and entice Jasper for a while- but he stopped eating eggs too. But we were using the whole egg- and this breeder said specifically the yolk-- jasper has been eating the hard boiled yokes- but not scrambled-(go figure) So I boil up a dozen eggs and store them in the shell in the fridge- I clumsilly remove the yolk as I need it- they last boiled in the fridge up to 3 weeks

the breeder said that some say that the Havanese have a problem maintaining Cholesteral levels so that is why she reccomends eggs. But it is also good for omega's- I read somewhere that Flax seed may cause itchiness- So if you do add flax WhitBmom, you may want to monitor Oreo. I know that since Jassy has been eating the Purina he is less itchy--- and it does not have flax in it- where most of the others did.

Treats: Our Puppy class introduced us to Canz real meat treats- they come in many flavors but our boys like the venison. They are little jerky squares that can be broken up easily for tiny training treats

Jasper loves, loves, Cadet rabbit filets- when he is on a hunger strike I throw him a filet. We are trying not to get Cash hooked on those.

havn't found a bisquit type treat that Jasper will eat-- Cash will eat anything
 

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Thanks Missy for that cholesterol info, I wasn't quite sure. But then again, it has been a while since I reviewed the entire puppy package my breeder sent me. I will have to look it over and see how his stools are for this week, and go from there. I will show my vet the info too, I think then maybe he can see where I am coming from.
 

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At what age do most people start giving their puppies treats? I haven't given our almost 3-month old puppy any treats yet (we do give him lots of praise though). I am wondering if most treats would be hard for him to chew (we soften his kibble with water because that is what his breeder recommended, but maybe that isn't necessary?).

We are feeding our puppy Purina Pro Plan Puppy Food because that was what the breeder was feeding him. At the breeder's request and based on research on the Havanese, we also give him 1/2 egg yolk/day. Is anyone else doing that?
I also started using treats around 3 mths. of age. I was treating him when he'd pee outdoors, although not always. Once I started teaching him 'come', I used treats as well.... actually, I often just used bits of the kibble he was eating at mealtime, but I did also use dried liver, but not too much at once. It's quite rich.

I buy the rolls from "Nature's Balance" I think it is... they look like sausage wrapped in plastic. I slice off a pc., then cut it in small bits and use that. It's soft, so gets eaten quickly = which is great when you're training. You don't want the pup to have to stop and chew for a few mins. every time! lol Ricky LOVES this stuff and it's good for him.

I have never fed egg to Ricky, but I think I will start doing that. He's 7 mths. now so I'm sure it will be o.k. And yes, I was also wetting down his kibble until a couple of weeks ago. Hubby and the kids wouldn't bother when they fed him, so I stopped too. I noticed he wouldn't eat it right away, letting it sit there for a long while. I started wetting it again and he gobbles it up as soon as it's down! lol Little bugger..... ;)
 

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My trainers recommend cutting way back on their food at meal time when they are in training, then they are very hungry & more willing to cooperate. It seems to work for me.
I know this is kinda gross but if you have a finiky eater, and you do give wet food at meals, I cook my dogs wet food and make it into treats. I put it on a cookie sheet, slice it into small pieces & bake it. The treats need to be kept in the frig but they love them!!!
 

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I just want to let everyone know that Max just loves the Flossie chews. He chewed on one last night for well over an hour (probably ate half of it) before we took it away......he was looking for that thing for another half an hour.

Is it alright to give him this to chew once a day? Have any of you had any bad experiences with the Flossie brand of chew?
 

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First let me say Hi to everyone, my name is Leeann and I am new to this forum. Not sure if anyone has already seen this but it has been posted on a havanese health forum I belong to, Hope it helps.

How to grade your dog's food: Start with a grade of 100:


1) For every listing of "by-product" , subtract 10 points
2) For every non-specific animal source ("meat" or "poultry", meat, meal or fat) reference, subtract 10 points
3) If the food contains BHA, BHT, or ethoxyquin, subtract 10 points
4) For every grain "mill run" or non-specific grain source, subtract 5 points
5) If the same grain ingredient is used 2 or more times in the first five ingredients (I.e. "ground brown rice",
"brewers rice", "rice flour" are all the same grain), subtract 5 points
6) If the protein sources are not meat meal and there are less than 2 meats in the top 3 ingredients, subtract 3 points
7) If it contains any artificial colorants, subtract 3 points
8) If it contains ground corn or whole grain corn, subtract 3points
9) If corn is listed in the top 5 ingredients, subtract 2 more points
10) If the food contains any animal fat other than fish oil, subtract 2 points
11) If lamb is the only animal protein source (unless your dog is allergic to other protein sources), subtract 2 points
12) If it contains soy or soybeans, subtract 2 points
13) If it contains wheat (unless you know that your dog is not allergic to wheat), subtract 2 points
14) If it contains beef (unless you know that your dog is not allergic to beef), subtract 1 point
15) If it contains salt, subtract 1 point

Extra Credit:


1) If any of the meat sources are organic, add 5 points
2) If the food is endorsed by any major breed group or nutritionist, add 5 points
3) If the food is baked not extruded, add 5 points
4) If the food contains probiotics, add 3 points
5) If the food contains fruit, add 3 points
6) If the food contains vegetables (NOT corn or other grains), add 3 points
7) If the animal sources are hormone-free and antibiotic-free, add 2 points
8 ) If the food contains barley, add 2 points
9) If the food contains flax seed oil (not just the seeds), add 2 points
10) If the food contains oats or oatmeal, add 1 point
11) If the food contains sunflower oil, add 1 point
12) For every different specific animal protein source (other than the first one; count "chicken" and "chicken meal"
as only one protein source, but "chicken" and "" as 2 different sources), add 1 point
13) If it contains glucosamine and chondroitin, add 1 point
14) If the vegetables have been tested for pesticides and are pesticide-free, add 1 point

Score:
94-100+ = A 86-93 = B 78-85 = C 70-77 = D 69 and below = F

Here are some foods that have already been scored.

Dog Food scores:
Authority Harvest Baked / Score 116 A+
Bil-Jac Select / Score 68 F
Canidae / Score 112 A+
Chicken Soup Senior / Score 115 A+
Diamond Maintenance / Score 64 F
Diamond Lamb Meal & Rice / Score 92 B
Diamond Large Breed 60+ Formula / Score 99 A
Dick Van Patten's Natural Balance Ultra Premium / Score 122 A+
Dick Van Patten's Duck and Potato / Score 106 A+
Foundations / Score 106 A+
Hund-n-Flocken Adult Dog (lamb) by Solid Gold / Score 93 B
Iams Lamb Meal & Rice Formula Premium / Score 73 D
Innova Dog / Score 114 A+
Innova Evo / Score 114 A+
Kirkland Signature Chicken, Rice, and Vegetables / Score 110 A+
Nutrisource Lamb and Rice / Score 87 B
Nutro Natural Choice Large Breed Puppy / Score 87 B
Pet Gold Adult with Lamb & Rice / Score 23 F
ProPlan Natural Turkey & Barley / Score 103 A+
Purina Beneful / Score 17 F
Purina Dog / Score 62 F
Purina Come-n-Get It / Score 16 F
Royal Canin Bulldog / Score 100 A+
Royal Canin Natural Blend Adult / Score 106 A+
Sensible Choice Chicken and Rice / Score 97 A
Science Diet Advanced Protein Senior 7+ / Score 63 F
Science Diet for Large Breed Puppies / Score 69 F
Wellness Super5 Mix Chicken / Score 110 A+
Wolfking Adult Dog (bison) by Solid Gold / Score 97 A
 

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Hi Leeann! Welcome aboard!

I've also seen this 'formula' for figuring out how good your pet's food is. I have it saved. Thank you for including it here! :)

Re: Flossies .... Is that the proper name of those chews? I would also like to hear what others say about them as maybe I'd get some.

I've been giving Ricky veal and beef bones to chew on and he just dies for them! I got a bunch at the grocery store a while back, threw them in a Zip-lock bag and into the freezer they went. I take one out and give it to him frozen. He'll chew on those things forever! It's now been 3 weeks since I've had any, so I'll have to get more this week. Not all grocery stores carry bones like these, so I have to go to this one place. I'm sure I could ask the butchers at any grocery store, but I can't be bothered - maybe cuz I'm a little shy! LOL

Anyway, I think these bones provide some nutrients - there's still some meat on them as well as the marrow - and though I have to make sure he eats them on an old towel or outdoors and not on any rug where it will stain, they are very handy and great for their teeth.
 
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