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Hello all, I am new to this site and so excited to be getting my first Havanese in early June. I have already learned so much about the breed by reading topics on this forum and feel like I am well prepped and ready for my new puppy, with the exception of insurance. I am looking for recommendations on the best insurance for the Havanese. Thank you!
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Can you get any discounts through work? We get a discounted rate with Nationwide pet insurance. For the dog we lost last year, they never questioned any claims or tried to use loopholes like a lot of insurance companies will. They even paid for his cremation. Even without a discount I would recommend them. It's cheap to cover them when they are young, and if you start them right away, you never will have an issue with pre-existing conditions.

Be sure to post a pic of your Hav when you can!
We chose Trupanion for our pups. Look closely at exclusions and how deductibles are handled to determine what best fits your situation.
We chose Trupanion for our pups. Look closely at exclusions and how deductibles are handled to determine what best fits your situation.
I have Trupanion too. I have mixed feelings. I have never made a claim, and the premiums are high. BUT, unlike other companies, the premiums do not go up as the dog gets older.
Hi,
I just got my havanese in January, my husband is in the insurance business and recommemded healthy paws. I have not made a claim yet.
Hi,
I just got my havanese in January, my husband is in the insurance business and recommemded healthy paws. I have not made a claim yet.
Be careful with Healthy Paws. They only cover TREATMENT, not office visits. A friend of mine is dealing with this now with Healthy Paws with a dog diagnosed with a treatable form of cancer. The dog needs 18 treatments of chemotherapy,, and he is insured. Sounds like they are all set, right? Turns out that there is a $220 “office visit” charge each time, because they have to recheck the dog’s progress, health,etc. Before the next treatment. Each of THOSE is not covered. The chemotherapy, which IS covered at 70%, is actually less expensive than those office visits. So she will be out of pocket almost $4,000 on the “office visit” portion before they pay 70% of the treatment. (After her deductible… I don’t know how high her deductible is)
I recently switched from Healthy Paws to Trupanion. Kiki had a tooth injury which required an extraction when she was about 14 months. Since I couldn’t point to one specific incident or accident, they denied my claim. She also needed retained teeth removed. If I had had Trupanion from the start, I am sure some of this would have been covered. That said, my premium just about doubled when I switched.
Thank you, I will revise my insurance options and change it if need it.
It seems like pet insurance is far more confusing than human insurance.
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I recently switched from Healthy Paws to Trupanion. Kiki had a tooth injury which required an extraction when she was about 14 months. Since I couldn’t point to one specific incident or accident, they denied my claim. She also needed retained teeth removed. If I had had Trupanion from the start, I am sure some of this would have been covered. That said, my premium just about doubled when I switched.
I wouldn’t count on that… I believe all dental work is disallowed with Trupanion Too. I think it is with many insurances… just like human health insurance.
It seems like pet insurance is far more confusing than human insurance.
It is, because it is totally unregulated.
An important thing to remember in researching pet insurance is that almost every one (and it may actually be every one that isn’t some kind of prepaid progrsm) excludes pre existing conditions..a huge difference from human health insurance which also used to commonly preclude pre existing conditions before passage of federal Affordable Health Care (also known as Obamacare). This can also mean problems in changing pet insurance carriers once a problem has been found. So research choices carefully but it is important to do so when still a puppy before any chronic issues emerge. As noted, some policies limit coverage per condition rather than have yearly limits for any claim. There are on line tools to help see differences. And user reviews are helpful as well.
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I wouldn’t count on that… I believe all dental work is disallowed with Trupanion Too. I think it is with many insurances… just like human health insurance.
I wouldn’t count on that… I believe all dental work is disallowed with Trupanion Too. I think it is with many insurances… just like human health insurance.
Trupanion offers some dental, and it would have helped in my situation. Here's info from their website: https://trupanion.com/pet-insurance/dental
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Trupanion offers some dental, and it would have helped in my situation. Here's info from their website: https://trupanion.com/pet-insurance/dental
I noticed that recently some of the pet insurance companies are starting to add addition option coverage like this as well as additional coverage for well visits etc. I did not check prices but they are interesting new options since historically it was pretty much accidents and illnesses. I did notice that this one does not cover dental cleanings, which is where people often have expenditures. It says dental accidents and illnesses…not sure what that would mean since many companies do cover dental accidents under general coverage.
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I noticed that recently some of the pet insurance companies are starting to add addition option coverage like this as well as additional coverage for well visits etc. I did not check prices but they are interesting new options since historically it was pretty much accidents and illnesses. I did notice that this one does not cover dental cleanings, which is where people often have expenditures. It says dental accidents and illnesses…not sure what that would mean since many companies do cover dental accidents under general coverage.
Oh, you can buy “wellness” plans from a number of companies, but they are EXTREMELY expensive!!! When I ran the numbers, the cost was higher than self-paying for the same services, it just spread them out monthly. The other problem is that most only allow a fixed amount for an “office visit” or a specific vaccine, and if your vet charges more, you still have to pay the difference. And the fixed amounts are low compared to the prices in my area… I checked.
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Just wanted to second that none of them are perfect, bc the industry is totally unregulated. We have had Healthy Paws for Charlie since he was young, so by the time I realized the issue with exams not being covered (when he started having annual $250+ cardiologist appts 3 years ago), we were ‘stuck’ because he had a number of pre-existing conditions. It’s still worth it for us, as they’ve covered a lot the last few years (including the echo, which is much more expensive than the office visit) but when we brought home our new puppy, we went with Embrace in part because office visits are covered. That said, I do think sometimes vets will work with you on how the invoice shows up if they can. For example, when I took C in for a visit w the rehab vet for his back, HP initially wouldn’t cover it, but then when the vet shared that they actually did rehab exercises (which was a part of the appt) they covered the whole thing.
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Be careful with Healthy Paws. They only cover TREATMENT, not office visits. A friend of mine is dealing with this now with Healthy Paws with a dog diagnosed with a treatable form of cancer. The dog needs 18 treatments of chemotherapy,, and he is insured. Sounds like they are all set, right? Turns out that there is a $220 “office visit” charge each time, because they have to recheck the dog’s progress, health,etc. Before the next treatment. Each of THOSE is not covered. The chemotherapy, which IS covered at 70%, is actually less expensive than those office visits. So she will be out of pocket almost $4,000 on the “office visit” portion before they pay 70% of the treatment. (After her deductible… I don’t know how high her deductible is)
That is true - though many vets offices are aware of this and don't change "office visits" after the first one and only charge treatment charges. That's what the specialist clinic that Perry goes to does. The first visit included the "office visit" which Healthy Paws didn't cover, but since then any time I see the same doctor there are no office charges. They do charge doctor fees and other things but since they're not an office visit they're covered. It's similar to human doctors who don't charge office visits for follow-ups.

I think it's something we have to discuss with vets offices now that insurance is more widely used, that they look at revamping their charging. Most are willing to work with us to ensure that insurance can cover as much as possible.
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I have Embrace and am very happy with it. They cover mostly everything and what isn’t covered is usually covered under the wellness plan. It’s easy to submit claims and they pay them pretty quickly. I did a lot of research before getting Otto and I am glad I chose this one. I would definitely recommend pet insurance, whichever one you go with. As a first time dog owner I brought him to the vet “just incase” for a bunch of things and never felt like cost was an issue.
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I have Pets Best insurance and highly recommend it. My dog has been very unlucky with her eyes and was diagnosed with juvenile cataracts when she was three. The doctors saw a cataract in both eyes but only one was advancing and due to the risks with surgery, the doctor wanted to only perform surgery on the advancing cataract in hopes that the other eye would never need it. After cataract surgery on the first eye, the insurance company paid it without any issues. Then only three months later the cataract on the other eye started advancing and we had to do another surgery. I expected the insurance company to try to fight payment since we could have just done both eyes at the same time (and it would have been much less expensive that way) but they again paid it without question.

A year or so later the first eye had a retinal detachment and another surgery was needed to reattach it. Pets Best paid it without any pushback.

Eight months or so later, that eye developed glaucoma and stopped responding to drops to keep the eye pressure low. My dog lost her vision in that eye and was in pain due to the elevated pressure in the eye. Another surgery was needed and this time we had three options: remove the eye entirely, do an injection that would remove the pain but would cause the eye to shrink very small and the procedure might possibly have to be repeated, or replace the inner part of the eye with a prosthetic (removes the part that makes the eye painful and the outer portion of the eye remains in place to look as normal as possible). My vet really recommended the last option as it's the most cosmetic but it was also the most expensive. We decided to go with the last option and again, I anticipated pushback from the insurance company (and was prepared to be out of pocket if they declined to pay it), but they paid it with no question asked.

I have really appreciated the peace of mind that pet insurance has provided. I never anticipated going through all of this with our dog and thought I had done my due diligence when researching breeders and checking the parents' health records. When I got pet insurance it was really just intended to be in case of an accident. I didn't expect any problems medically but there can always be surprises.

The one negative I will say about Pets Best is that the turnaround time for claims can be slow. You may wait several weeks to a month for reimbursement. But they have been very easy to deal with throughout all of our ordeals.

You can have an accident/illness plan with them or do a wellness plan which includes a yearly teeth cleaning, routine vaccines, etc. I did both because the wellness plan seems to pay for itself in my area. (When I added up the cost of the normal yearly visits, it was pretty much the same cost to add the insurance.) But the plans are very flexible so you can pick something that works with your budget.

I feel so grateful that while we were dealing with all of this throughout the past few years, I was able to make the best choice for my dog and not have to make a decision based on cost because I knew we had insurance. So whatever company you decide to go with, I just recommend that you do get insurance because you really never know what will happen. Good luck to you!
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