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Hi all..

I have a question for the Hav owners here that work full time jobs.

What routine do you all use? Do you have dog walkers? Do you take them to day care? Have someone come in to play and let the puppy go to the bathroom?
My wife and I both work fulltime, and would not be home from 8am-6pm monday-friday.

HELP!
 

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That would be me!

Yes to most of your questions...Ollie stays in a crate - I have his bed in it and I have a litter box which I put a puppy pad in however he only used it 2x and he is now 8 months old...he likes to sleep in it cause it is cooler...I just don't want him to poop or puke in his bed if he gets sick.

I do have someone come in during the day...altho I think he would be fine without it now I feel bad just leaving him alone all day...they come in for about 1/2 and play - do potty duty etc....and he LOVES her!!!!

When he was younger I did not feed him in am very much at all...he has not had an accident since 5 months - a VERY happy dog and loves his crate - don't forget the stuffed kong before you leave in the am....he will jump right in...

PS: I did get up about 45 min earlier than usual just to play and spend time with him when he was smaller....also I found that until recently he had a poop when we first went outside after bed then I would take him out right before I left for work and he would have another - just like clockwork - now that he is older just one in the am...

Just remember - they sleep most of the day and be ready for playtime when you get home!

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I just got Houston but I had a Cairn Terrier for 16 years. She stayed home all the time by herself when she was older for 6.5 -7 hours.

With Houston because he is a pup, I come home at lunch every day. I am lucky I can. If I cannot I have great in-laws that will stop by and help me out. My son will be home all summer long so that will be better.

I would say the maximum time alone should be no more than 8 hours. If you are working 10 - 11 hours a day you will need someone to come in or a dog walker or even doggie daycare.

I think it is all about quality time. You have to make the time to give them attention when you are with them.When Houston gets bigger my plan is to go for a 45 min walk in the morning and another one at night. Right now I play with him for an hour before work and spend the entire night hanging out with him.

Oh don't forget bully sticks. It keeps them busy when you are away.;)
 

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Kathy,

I think we will be able to manage having a havanese dog without to much trouble. We stay up usually till 2am.. get home around 6pm, so thats a good 8 hours of quality time we can spend with our dog. Also, both our parents live right around corner to help out during the day.

We have not lived this situation yet as our dog will not be with us for another 11 weeks, but your question might be better directed at 'Rita' and 'Olliesmom' and all the other full time workers on this forum that live the situation right now.

I do not belive the Havanese are only for stay at home women and/or men.

Thanks,
Ryan
 

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Ryan,
I am one that does feel that someone should be home with Havanese most of the day. I have seen too many come into rescue because they didn't turn out like people had thought they would. It seems the common thread is that everyone was out of the home most of the day, leaving "Rover" alone. Havanese are known for having seperation anxiety. That is when behavior issues can, and will arise.

However, when people do work out of the home for most of the day, what does seem to work is getting someone to come in to take the dog for a walk, potty, etc. Some even use a doggie daycare. It can be successful, but like having a child, it needs to be planned. I commend you for thinking ahead.
 

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Hi Kathy,

I have done so much research on Havanese, I dont think there is anything left for me to read on the net. I'll need to wait for some new websits to be formed I guess.

We fell in the love with the Havanese breed when my now wife saw a picture of one on the net about 3 or 4 years ago. And we always said we would get one after we got married and were settled. Well we have been married for 16 months now, and we are ready!

I know all about the seperation anxiety issues that can happen, but hopefully he will sleep for much of the day when we are not home, since he will be up pretty late the night before.. hehe... And we WOULD NEVER EVER give our guy away.. not in a million years.. we are allready in love with the dog and it has not even been born yet.

I'm really just after any tips that others in the same situation can offer.

Thanks!
Ryan
 

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Hi Ryan,

Me and my husband both work full time, but I have the luxury of working 10 min from home. I also use a doggie day care but not every day. The days he is home I come home for my lunch hour for potty break & some playtime. If you could find a local doggie day care that would be great, I have noticed on weeks that the weather is too bad to bring Riley to day care he is a terror at night, too much energy.. The other great thing about day care is most of them do boarding also so if you ever need to board your dog he or she will already be comfortable in the environment you are leaving him in. I actually drive 20 min in the opposite direction of my work to bring Riley to a place that does day care, boarding & training. They have someone on staff 24/7 352 days of the year so if I ever need to board him I know he will not be put in a crate and left alone for the evening, someone will always be with him. Riley absolutely loves day care, all I have to do is ask him if he wants to go to school to play with his friends and the tail starts and if we don’t leave right away he will sit at my feet wining till I grab his leash LOL. Best of Luck
 

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Gosh, I don't think my conscious could handle leaving my Gucci girl home for 50 hours a week. I'm lucky that I'm self employed and only work a 2 days a week (and I take the whole summer off) so I can bring her to work with me, and she wouldn't be home alone.

But if I was in that situation where I couldn't bring her to work, I would definately look into doggy day care. 50 hours a week is a long time be alone.

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In dog time 50 hours to us is 350 hours to them.

Some of our Havanese are bonded strongest to me. Some are bonded strongest to Pam. Our Havanese have plenty of their own company. They have a dog door, a covered veranda and at least a small fenced yard that they can come and go as they please.

When I'm here alone with them and Pam is gone, whether to the grocery store or away for a few days to give a Havanese Judges Education Seminar, the ones that are closest bonded to her make many trips to the door to look out and see if she is back yet.

These dogs have been bred for hundreds of years to be companions. They have no instinct to hunt or dig. They don't live to follow a trail (even though they are good at it) or have some other job that working dogs have been selectively bred for. Their job is strictly that of a companion. They will choose companionship with their human family every time over their dog companions.

We do not sell a Havanese puppy to a home for it to be left alone all day. And to be left in a crate all day is cruel and unusual punishment for a Havanese. There are still plenty of homes where they can spend the vast majority of their time with their human family.

Anyone reading this who is just now considering this breed who will have no choice but to leave it alone all day please choose another breed that has not been bred to be a companion dog. These are not hound dogs who are perfectly content to sleep on the porch all day.

Reputable breeders do not sell to such homes.
 

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How about a second dog? They could keep each other company during the times you had to leave them. I worked full time with my other dogs but am able to stay home now so I haven't had to leave Mirabel for very long. In fact she goes with me places when she can. She doesn't seem to like to be alone but that may be because she hasn't had to be.
 

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Wow. I suppose in responding to this thread I risk never having a breeder ever again want me to have one of their puppies. The two I have will have to live forever (if only they could)! That being said, both my husband and I work full time. We are lucky in that our hours are staggered a bit so that the dogs are only home alone for about 7-8 hours per day. They have a doggie door and full run of the house. When each was a puppy, I took vacation time to bond with them and I would leave the house for 20-30 minutes each day and worked up to being gone longer so that the puppy would get used to the fact that we leave and come back. I also had a neighbor come and spend time with them during the day but we slowly phased that out. I get up early to spend time with them before leaving for work. My husband comes straight home from work.

Our girls are well behaved (no separation anxiety), well socialized, happy, healthy and everything else a Hav should be. When we are not working, they are our focus, which is easy because we adore them and we do not have human children needing our attention. On weekends, we take them everywhere we possibly can and they have turned into great little travelers and campers. We even drive 60+ miles on many Saturday mornings so that they can join a play date with other small dogs. They've traveled with us all over Northern CA. They've been to Arizona, Nevada and Oregon.

In a perfect world, I could stay home all day with the dogs but it's not a perfect world, at least for another 5 years until I can retire early! A breeder should give working couples a chance before instantly writing them off as unsuitable owners and sending them off to another breed. We are certainly grateful that at least one did! Granted, sometimes it can disaterous but any of you can visit us and our dogs (and some of you have met them) and I think you would find them just as spoiled and happy as dogs with stay at home owners.

Off my soap box now. I apologize for the rant but I feel bad that working folks are judged a little unfairly sometimes. If people are willing to make the pups a priority in thier lives, and figure out how to make it work, I think the Havs are pretty adaptable. ~ Susan
 

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Hey Susan, I appreciate your rant, haha. Its always good to open up peoples minds and have them cosider other options.

Its my opinion that it would depend on the dog also. I know some dogs have huge separation anxiety and others would be fine. It might be important to see how they act as a puppy and how the parents are.

I can not take mine to the studio everyday and when I leave them here, they are fine. I do think it helps to have two so they are not alone all day.
 

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Hi Ryan,

I am in the same boat as you. I work full time. I am lucky though that my job allows me to work from home one day a week.

What I do is take him to day care 2 days a week so that he is not home alone. I am home that 1 day and he is out and aboutthe house with me all day. That leaves the last 2 days. I come home at lunch and let him out and play with him but when we get home at night he is full of enegery since he has slept most ofthe day and you need to be able to play with them.

I don't agree with kathy at all that if you work full time you can't have a havanese but they can't be in the crate all day/all week. You will want to take them to day care or have someone walk them at leastonce a day and play with them and then be prepared to spend your evenings playing with them, walking them etc.

If you are they type that like going off for the day on the weekend and are only at home at night during the week it will be hard for the dog and for you.

You can definately have one if you work you just need to have something for them during the day.

Hope that helps!
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Has anyone read the book about Marley....he had HUGE separation anxiety and he certainly wasn't a Havanese. I think we all would like to stay home with our dogs and hate leaving them..but this is the real world and we have to work. I seems to me that some Havanese will have separation problems and some won't, just like in any other breed. My daughter has to leave her Hav for 10 hours and has someone come in everyday to let Zoey out and play with her. Jackie HATES having to leave her, but Zoey has adjusted and is the BEST companion Jackie has ever had. Jackie is also Zoey's BEST friend and they do everything together when she isn't working.
I have to leave Izzy to go to work, but we are fortunate as my husband gets home from work 4 hours after I leave. However, today for first time, she will be alone in the afternoon too. ( I will go home at noon to let her out) I think she will do just fine. She has her big crate, her little travel crate, pee pads (which she doesn't use as she seems to hold it very well) and water inside her ex pen. We also have a 10 year old lab in the house...maybe that helps, I don't know.
Anyway, just as we could end up with a dog that gets car sick and anxious, or one that is a finicky eater, or hates other dogs or cats, or has a hereditary problem, etc. etc....we could end up with one that has separation problems. That being said...be ready for anything and willing to work with the problem or don't get a dog!
Have a great day....and Happy St. Patrick's Day tomorrow!!!!
 

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I am home with mine all day,and when I go somewhere,I take him with me or someone is home.We do have a playmate for him,but I would never leave them for more than a hour or so.I know I have a rare situation.I think had I been working full time,I would of considered a different breed all together.I'm not saying that someone should or should not get a havanese,work or not work,but I do think you need to consider quality of life for the dog.These dogs really are like children.....you can't put them "away" or get rid of them when it is convenient for you and your new wife.Mine follows me from room to room,and even will wake up to follow me into the bathroom,etc.This is a REALLY big issue.....do think about it,alot.....
There are ways of getting around it,with day cares,etc.(though not in my area)but know in advance alot of little things,behavior wise,could and most likely will come up.These dogs do things naughty when left alone.They get into garbage,tear in papers,chew purse straps,etc.A puppy is often crated,a housebroken adult is often left loose to roam the house...finding more and more to do.Mine even chewed my vacuum cleaner cord almost in half,and for the most part I'm home 24/7!The bottom line really is,it depends on what YOU make it......:) If you decide on a hav puppy,I wouldn't worry so much about his/her looks,but on temperment.An alpha dog can do alot of damage in a short period of time.
 

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We have about the same schedule as susanNorm and it works great for us also. Day care can get expensive but it is so worth it especially when you know they love to go. The only time Riley drags me on his leash is when I’m not walking fast enough to the door at day care.

Susan I see you live in Worchester, do you mind me asking what day care you use? I live and work 10 min from my home in Lowell but drive to Littleton to bring Riley to day care. Yes my 10 min. drive to work is now a 45 min. drive but that is the commitment I have made. Riley’s day care is open 7 days a week, I had an event on a Sunday once that was 1 ½ away from home so I knew I could not leave Riley, it was nice to know I had a place he could go to on the weekend if ever needed.

Ryan - Sounds like you are doing the right thing, do as much research as possable to see if you can devise a plan that will work for you & your havanese.
 

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Monday is our longest workday so I have someone come in 2x on Monday...Tuesday my mom spends 2-3 hours while we are gone - wednesday i work from home - thursday my mom comes back and Friday ollies best friend - his dog walker- comes in mid morn and i finish work at 1:30.

also when it is not baseball season my son is home by 3:30 everyday...

He is the ultimate companian...the happiest dog I have ever had - has no anxiety and is perfectly spoiled! I do agree however he is a low key dog and the only thing he ever chews is toilet paper rolls and bedroom slippers that he knows I don't care about - oh and socks and panties too!!

Ask you parents for some help - maybe they could puppysit!! My mom adores him - he makes her very happy...

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I know I am new here... but must put forth my 2 cents. I think every dog is different as every situation is. I learned of the Havanese breed about 15 years ago, and wanted one ever since. I finally got my chance last summer. I called a local breeder, to find out how much it was going to cost me, and put my name on her list. I just so happened, she had a 10 month old that had been returned to her. An older - retired lady had bought him, and although she was home with him all day... he was not getting enough stimulation from her, and she was not happy with him. Upon interviewing me to find out exactly what kind of living situation he would have with me - she chose me to become his new mommy (And I am forever grateful to her - he is my BABY). I have 4 kids, and another dog, as well as my elderly mother has 2 dogs (we live with her). Although my husband and I both work... he gets PLENTY of stimulation with us. I go to work in the early morning, and my husband doesn't leave until after lunchtime...2 of my daughters get home from school 2 hours later. So, he is only alone for those 2 hours, and he has the other dogs there then. He is fine. with it. He goes with me on the weekends whenever he can, and loves it.

I agree with everyone, that says evaluate your own situation, and if you have enough love for the dog, you CAN make it work. From what I have read here, I don't think anyone here is interested in getting a dog to stuff away somewhere and forget about, I know it happens, but everyone here seems to really LOVE there babies. I know I do, and if I had to, I would work something out. I do only work 10 minutes away, and before my havanese, I had a pekingese that I had gotten from a pound and she had some serious issues, with trust and stuff, I took her to work with me many many times. And went home during the day many many times. In the end, she turned out great too, and I can truly say, the last few years of her life were very full.

I truly feel that the Havanese breed has so much love to give, that if you are willing to give them love back - they are happy. Every dog has its unique personality, no matter what the breed, you have to work with that.
 

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Hi Lbkar,

My dog goes to The Doggie Den in Northborough, MA. They are wonderful there. When we walk in the door he can't wait to see the people and play with the dogs. He is sooo social.

The Doggie Den is open 6 days a week but does boarding as well which is wonderful. So I know if I ever have to leave him he plays all day and is out and about not crated up : )

On a seperate not we are trying to form a MA Play group. Would you be interested?
 
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